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Re: In your eyes: whats racism in PS? hmr
« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2007, 08:54:20 pm »
Racism isn't something to build a roleplay around in PlaneShift. So it's simple: don't do it. You can avoid it and have an absolute blast. You can never step near it and build stories and worlds beyond usual imagination. Racism isn't a necessary part of the formula. Distrust is not racism. Disagreement on preferences is not racism. In Yliakum, although some races may be wary of others, they do not hate, discriminate, nor abuse.

But what IS racism? Where's the point at which distrust/caution becomes racism?

If I have an irrational fear of the colour blue, I would thusly hate to be around Kran. Is it racist that I would request that all Kran stay away from me because of this fear?
How about if my family was massacred by an enkidukai when I was three years old? Psychologically, a fear and hatred of anything that resembles an enkidukai would most likely arise. In fact, it would be bizarre if I didn't have an inherent distrust for enkidukai.

And that's just an extreme case.
Little kids on the playground are constantly discriminating against each other for reasons far less than one having red skin and horns :P If there was a little diaboli kid in a Xacha village, the Diaboli would be picked on to death. It's not necessarily a race thing, just a difference thing, like if the horns were braces.

The point is, if we're talking about general, grand-scale political racism, then I agree it shouldn't exist. But if we're talking about individual racist ideals, then that's just illogical. So long as people are able to make their own choices, mentally, there will be people who choose to hate.

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Hehe, it's not that I like hate/abuse/discrimination, it's just that I'm very skeptical as to how any society can exist without it. Even birds have a 'pecking order', and animals are constantly killing each other over territorial disputes.

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Re: In your eyes: whats racism in PS? hmr
« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2007, 09:46:56 pm »
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Re: In your eyes: whats racism in PS? hmr
« Reply #32 on: March 14, 2007, 10:38:32 pm »
You cannot compare territorial battles in the animal kingdom with racism. Those things don't equate, and I don't understand how you could think to tie them together. If you want a definition of racism, check dictionary.com:

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–noun 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

That belief is not present among any Yliakum races. There are many reasons for conflict, but this is not one of them.
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Re: In your eyes: whats racism in PS? hmr
« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2007, 04:01:08 pm »
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Re: In your eyes: whats racism in PS? hmr
« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2007, 05:36:12 pm »
Shiites and Sunnis are different religious branches, not different races. Irishmen and Englishmen are different nationalities, not races. Discrimination doesn't have to exist in any form, be it by actual racism or prejudice againt people for religion or nationality. Look at people that are ginger and people that are blond. They're different but having spend time togeter and lived together in harmony, as the races in Yliakum have, there is no prejudice.
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Re: In your eyes: whats racism in PS? hmr
« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2007, 06:49:17 pm »
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Re: In your eyes: whats racism in PS? hmr
« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2007, 06:57:13 pm »
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My point here is simple: Racism is logical part of the mind. Like everything in nature, it has a purpose, and a place in the world.

I would consider you hypocritical if you then go on to battle racism in real life. And that bothers me.

How hard is it to grasp this concept:

"I hate you because you're a Kran!"
"All Dermorians are weak and should  be subjugated by Enkidukai!"
"Ylians demand dominion over all other races!"

These thoughts do not enter into the minds of Yliakum citizens. Anyone who has such thoughts is looked at with disbelief and distrust, and anyone who acts on such thoughts on a massive scale is probably going to visit an Octarch with a one-way ticket.

This is the end of the discussion as far as I am concerned. I don't understand why you would argue for the necessity of something like racism in a game. Is having fun through other conflicts so boring? You want massive strife between different races, go play WoW. If you can't roleplay a character without giving him racist thoughts, you scare me. And if you can, then this whole thread is pointless.
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Re: In your eyes: whats racism in PS? hmr
« Reply #37 on: March 15, 2007, 07:29:11 pm »
Personally, I don't care one way or the other


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Re: In your eyes: whats racism in PS? hmr
« Reply #38 on: March 15, 2007, 07:31:24 pm »
"there is no racism, yet other than that we think exactly like humans".

Hardly - our characters come from a different world, with different traditions, beliefs, and histories. They've different natures. Not different enough to make you think you're roleplaying a completely alien being, but you're not going to be walking around feeling as though you're roleplaying yourself.
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Re: In your eyes: whats racism in PS? hmr
« Reply #39 on: March 16, 2007, 03:17:35 am »
O.o well...my threads down, bye bye!
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Re: In your eyes: whats racism in PS? hmr
« Reply #40 on: March 16, 2007, 04:39:31 am »
Do all forms warfare have to involve physical violence?

Surely not

Is racism wide enough for roleplays that aren't ridiculously repetitive and alike? Or is there other more interesting reasons to provoke conflicts, and not necessarily armed ones?

No, there are better reasons for conflicts:

Ideologies

Social Classes

Talad X Laanx churches (They are probably in an uneasy and weak truce, and splinter groups of Laanx followers may get into skirmishes away from the eyes of the law)