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Eliseth

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Re: Psions and Psionics
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2007, 09:30:38 am »
I'm not saying he's closed minded just because he doesn't believe it, but because he hasn't given any reasons why he doesn't believe it which means I can only assume that he hasn't researched the topic, which means his is blind disbelief, which in my opinion is closed minded.

I'm sorry to hear you've changed your mind about it. I couldn't give you proof even if I wanted to, because even if I describe the experiences I've had it still won't be enough to convince you. But I'm glad you've at least researched the topic and based your opinion on that. :)

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« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2007, 10:03:13 am »
@Eliseth, If  some one can give me definitive proof I will gladly change my opinion on the subject. That is all it is, my opinion and it is exactly that kind of reaction that prompted me to make it very clear at the begining of my post. In the same way you are offended by my belief, many religious people would be offended by your belief that you have super-natural powers.

@your latest post, I dont need to research it in the same way I dont need to research that there arent faries living in a tiny village at the bottom of my garden, the way I dont need to research religion and that I dont need to research magic.  Its just something that I believe has no grounding in reality.

@Karyuu, thank you, you saved me some typing :o)

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Re: Psions and Psionics
« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2007, 01:43:23 pm »
Okies Idoru, I see where you're coming from, I didn't mean to sound all yukky about it ^^ I believe I am at fault here in calling you closed minded, I apologise for that. The reason I believe psionics exists is actually quite complex and there's no real way of explaining it, so I think at this point we can agree to disagree. There is one or two points I wish to correct though.

@Eliseth, If  some one can give me definitive proof I will gladly change my opinion on the subject. That is all it is, my opinion and it is exactly that kind of reaction that prompted me to make it very clear at the begining of my post. In the same way you are offended by my belief, many religious people would be offended by your belief that you have super-natural powers.

I wasn't offended :) I'd be really insecure if I was offended by something like this, everyone is entitled to their beliefs.

your belief that you have super-natural powers.

* my belief that everyone has these natural powers. :) (they're not super-natural. super-natural powers only exist in stories and movies)

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« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2007, 02:31:01 pm »
Hmm, that isn't really what this topic is about. The old argument of 'Proof versus Faith' isn't interesting, because it's all really a matter of personal preference, environment, social background, etc.

The point is; psionics - the hobby - exists, and this is what fascinates me. I'm not going to say that I know beyond all doubt that psionics is 'BS' - I'm not even going to say I think that: in my opinion, until it's proved one way or the other, its potential for either existence or falsity is equal.
But like I said: real or not, that doesn't change the fact that there are people who practice psionics. Quite a lot of people. And it's those that are fascinating...

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« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2007, 02:46:17 pm »
Okies Idoru, I see where you're coming from, I didn't mean to sound all yukky about it ^^ I believe I am at fault here in calling you closed minded, I apologise for that. The reason I believe psionics exists is actually quite complex and there's no real way of explaining it, so I think at this point we can agree to disagree. There is one or two points I wish to correct though.

I wasn't offended :) I'd be really insecure if I was offended by something like this, everyone is entitled to their beliefs.

* my belief that everyone has these natural powers. :) (they're not super-natural. super-natural powers only exist in stories and movies)

Well, thank you kindly for your appology, it is most graciously accepted :o)

As for your belief that everyone has these powers. I sincerely wish I could use them but I do really worry what bad things some people would do in this world if they had any of these (im finding it difficult to think of a term other than super-natural so please forgive me using it again) 'Super-natural' abilities. The world is in a bad enough state with only the 5 senses and our physical abilities.

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« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2007, 07:40:25 pm »
Thanks for the link emeraldfool  :thumbup:

I have been using LOA (law of attraction) for over 25 years, even before I knew what it was. I have yet to make it a way of life as I lack the discipline needed to do so. I do firmly believe the ability to manipulate energy is far more common then most realize, people do it on a daily basis without even knowing what they are doing. You know those people that never have anything but good luck, or never get sick, or seem to be able to understand and excel at every topic in school, or the ones that no matter where they go everyone likes them; these people are using LOA and manipulating energy.

Since everything around us is created from energy, one description of it is that everything we see is a hologram that our mind creates for us to understand the energy patterns in front of us. That is Quantum Physics in its most basic description. Our minds only create images we understand, one of the most famous accounts of this in reality is from Magellan’s Log,

 
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When Magellan’s crew got into their longboats and neared shore, the natives finally did react, and with even greater terror than had been witnessed elsewhere. When the priests ultimately calmed the natives and learned their language, they realized something extraordinary. These particular natives were so primitive that they didn’t react when the ships came into the bay – because they actually couldn’t physically perceive them! The ships were so far beyond their consciousness that they literally could not see them.

And Columbus
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The term "Hiding in Plain Sight" is used frequently to describe a person or thing that goes unnoticed even when viewed directly. Upon the landing of Christopher Columbus on the Caribbean Island of Hispaniola in 1492 he reported that curiously the natives could not see the Nina, the Pinta and the Santa Maria. These vessels apparently were to strange to the brains of the primitive inhabitants to even realize their existence. it wasn't until the tribal elders studied disturbances in the water that they were ultimately able to grasp the presence of the ships.

Without a perception of an item we cannot see it, I know some are going to say this is BS, when a child sees something for the first time they have no knowledge of it, but can still see it. This point brings in another area of understanding; When the tribe leader finally understood and saw the Magellan ships, the idea of the ship was now in his consciousness, and that consciousness was now shared by the rest of the tribe. The consciousness can be described as the 'Ether', an energy field that is all around us that is said to hold all thought. So a child shares the parents’ energy and in doing so is able to comprehend new images that its parents have already experienced.

Ether or Aether;
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Humans - and everything that has 'life' - has an etheric body which looks identical to the physical body but functions at a higher frequency. In fact, it is at the same frequency as the ether. Could this be where it derives its name? Scientists know that we are electromagnetic in origin. Most advanced medical tests assess electrical impulses in the brain and elsewhere in the body to find areas of activity or lack of it that may be causing a problem. Our thoughts register activity in the brain. This activity can be seen with modern medical equipment but not the 'thought' itself. The thought operates at an even higher frequency but it is quite real. The thought registers in the ether.

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The Aether is responsible for all that is, or more specifically, Aether responds to thought, essentially forming real aetheric objects from impinging thought. This process can be dramatically amplified by coupling thought with emotional energy. It is benign in and of itself - this process - it is WE who give it form - either positive or negative (good or evil).
Thought creates Reality

Getting into this creates a domino effect, as there are so many different areas based on the Aether. All popular forms of meditations ultimate goal is to enter the Aether, and become one with it and channel the energy it holds. All energy healing techniques draw from the Aether energy and channel it to the area in the body that is not in tune with it.

I have become very interested in Quantum Healing and have had some amazing results with friends and family. I have realigned fused vertebrae that doctors and chiropractors could not without surgery, I have been able to bring my blood back to a normal level so I no longer need blood thinners, and have eliminated blood clots in my lungs and legs.

Some still think all this stuff is BS and that is their right, but I know for a fact all of this is real.

This gives me a new area to investigate and learn from.

I wish you all great success in all that you desire :)

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Re: Psions and Psionics
« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2007, 09:32:39 pm »
Thanks LARAGORN, very useful info. I was going to make referances to quantum physics in my earlier post, but most people tend to shun such referances, so I've stopped doing it. A very interesting documentary you all should watch is "What the Bleep do We Know" http://www.whatthebleep.com/

It's incredibly eye opening if you're willing to accept that quantum physics may be true.

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« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2007, 10:15:57 pm »
Thanks Eliseth :)

Watching it right now. :D

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Re: Psions and Psionics
« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2007, 11:02:28 pm »
Hmm I must of got confused with somthing else on my first post. Now that I understand it better and looked at it more I doubt it's possible. Of course im not just another nobody with an oppinion ... im basing this off of science, since I did get in the 92 percentile on a science test in all of Florida. It may be possible with a device but sadley a human body could not possibly form energy outside of there body in any shape or form. Now that is not saying that a human mind can not gather data from another human simply by looking at them though. This combined with the imagination can lead you to beleive your sending info or gathering info via a ball of energy. Which is why in no recorded history really has anyone saw it, and if somone does say they did then they would be lieing. It can not be just the average joe who says they saw it .. it would have to be a science group who study it and can show proof of it.

Also when you beleive you can do somthing it's only a natural thing that your mind makes you think you saw it. This is aother example of ghosts, your in a house that is spooky and you keep thinking about ghosts or other things, it's only natural to think you saw somthing because it's the only thing your thinking about and your looking for it.

I hope this makes sense .. I try not to use scientific words when talking to people about science and try to just explain it.

Edit: Also Laragorn is wrong. Quantum Physics is Physics just on a smaller scale, when this scale gets as small as atoms they find physics are not the same as say what we already know of physics. Here try this site, http://www.jracademy.com/~jtucek/science/what.html ... much more reliable info.
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Re: Psions and Psionics
« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2007, 11:17:30 pm »
Don't worry tssthorn, it makes sense. However are you willing to accept Quantum Physics as being a valid scientific theory, even if you don't believe the theory to be correct? Because quantum physics makes psionics very much possible. This means that there IS a possibility that psionics isn't a load of BS and it actually exists and is scientifically possible.

I agree the current "accepted" laws of science makes psionics seem impossible, but it's possible that these laws of science are actually inaccurate.

Even if you don't believe the quantum physics theory, you should watch "what the bleep" anyway for interests sake.

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« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2007, 11:19:16 pm »
Check the link I edited my post. I know what Quantum Physics is. Yes it has to do with energy but not the type of energy you all are talking about.

Edit: Ok an even more in depth reading of Quantum Physics Law of Attraction, I find that who ever wrote it must be in some type of alterenate reality where quantum physics all of a sudden tunred into somthing your mind can minipulate. If this was even true only you and you alone would be able to see what you are seeing .. it would change nothing in the world but what you see. Let me think .. what is another name for that ... I can't think of it ... hmmm ... oh right hulucinating. Let me just put it this way .. if you where to show this to Einstein, he would laugh.
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« Reply #26 on: March 15, 2007, 05:33:42 am »
It may be possible with a device but sadly a human body could not possibly form energy outside of their body in any shape or form. Now that is not saying that a human mind can not gather data from another human simply by looking at them though. This combined with the imagination can lead you to believe your sending info or gathering info via a ball of energy. Which is why in no recorded history really has anyone saw it, and if someone does say they did then they would be lying. It can not be just the average joe who says they saw it .. it would have to be a science group who study it and can show proof of it.


I would disagree. You see child birth can be perceived as just that. Creating energy first from within (with a mixture of two energies; male and female) then expelling it into the world. Thusly sending the parents co-mingled genetic information into the world in the form of manipulated energies from the two to form a child. Although, I see the particular point your getting at about the psi-ball thing. Sometimes it's all in how people perceive things.

 So, two people standing across from each other and another person passes between them. Now both people seen this third person pass by but may have differences in what they say they saw. Given only from what they see; assumptions can be made of that person. Of course there may be some correspondences in that which they saw but it is only one side of the person seen from each perspective. Perhaps, what they saw in trueness is nothing of what the person is at all but a shell or mask of the true person put on for people to see. The human mind is an interesting and complex thing to behold and master and/or rather the attempt there of.

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« Reply #27 on: March 15, 2007, 06:32:58 am »
Yes but that is completly different from what im talking about, everyone sees things differently or most do. Cahnging what you see has absolutly no effect on others but yourself, thats my point.

Also that whole baby thing ... I see what you mean but thats again not the type of energy there talking about lol.

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« Reply #28 on: March 15, 2007, 07:26:26 am »
tssthorn, the link you gave explains very basic quantum physics, there is seriously way more to it than that. Did you watch "what the bleep do we know"?

Anyway, here's a link you may find interesting.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/405/Journey-34-Psionics

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« Reply #29 on: March 15, 2007, 07:45:24 am »
Could you please tell us what Quantum Physics has to do with this topic at all? Im at a loss to grasp what you are getting at when bringing it up. Unfortunatly im not at work today so cant watch the vids.
As tssthorn said. Quantum physics is 'purely' the physics of very small things.

[EDIT] Some quotes I find remarkably laughable.

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After all, the best science in Psychical Research is the lifetime of work by Professor Ian Stevenson, who conclusively establishes the reality of reincarnation.  Obviously, that which reincarnates is not any part of the body.
This definition immediately suggests that the mind is made of dark matter, since dark matter has mass, and no interactions via the Electro-Magnetic (EM) force.  That is why the mind is invisible, intangible and can freely move through solid objects.
What the hell?? The Mind (soul or whatever word you want to use) is made of Dark Matter??

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The root idea of quantum mechanics is de Broglie's wave, and the root idea of general relativity is geodesics.

 
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The mind can generate physical force by effortlessly twisting or bending the geodesics of space-time. The sleep-dynamo does this every night in sleep. Every dynamo or generator requires a resistant force to convert kinetic energy into another form such as nouonic energy (also known as Prana). This resistant force is a rhythmic distortion of the space-time geodesics in sync with the slow labored breathing of non-REM sleep, where the diaphragm and abdomen are pushing against this resistant force.

These quotes make me wonder if even pseudo-science is too kind a term. It seems to lack any basis in reality at all.
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