RP fighting

[shorty13]

This game is seeming to lose it's RP nature, and it saddens me.  I was RP fighting someone yesterday when others came to join and help. "OOH call me when we are going to PVP duel" said a friend who had maxed all of her stats.  This, I thought, was disgusting, as if you were truly playing this game and RPing, there would be a thousand things wrong with it, apparent from leaving a friend to fight a battle on his own.  I have only fought 2 people using RP fights lately [Duraza and a random Kran trying to steal from me] and all three of us realize that this is going down the drain.  It seems all of a sudden playing tag to see who can time their swing so it hits first is all of a sudden more RP like than "slashing at my enemies torso with my right battleaxe from right to left".  When did this happen? I think I missed the memo.  News flash: its not true!
To PVP duel you need:
1) to have leveled your stats so that you can kill someone in one hit [At this high, your attacks will very rarely get blocked because for some reason players can attack strong but don't know how to block, making it a game of tag your dead]
2) A fast computer.  If your computer is faster than your opponents you have a 90% chance of winning. Such a RP-like reason

To RP fight you need:
1) a brain [oh no!]
2) an imagination [hey you can actually cast magic!]

I think anyone who would turn down an RP fight and refuse to do it unless its a PVP fight is a powerleveler who has maxed there stats and knows they can beat about everyone so they don't want a slight chance of losing.  So that person who has been a warrior for 3 weeks can all of a sudden be better than that person who just came from a land where he had to battle his way out and escape to yliakum.

I think the only viable places to PVP style fight over RP fight is fighting monsters and in guild wars.

I vow to always try to RP fight in place of dueling whenever possible.  Anyone else with me?

[im starting to like zanzibar's idea of taking out the dueling.   /rant over]

[Narure]

The game mechanics of dualing just need to be sorted out is all. But for now I'm RP dualing mostly because the system is pretty screwed at the moment but at the same time i wont say no to a PvP dual.

[Heyok]

I agree! i just had my first RP fight defending duraza for certain reasons, and i had tons of fun! i find that just running around until you perform or recieve a one hit wonder is jsut boring. three cheers for RP FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rayken]

IMO, it's really a question of getting the game mechanics to integrate better with RP.  How we do that in this case evades me, and I'll agree that for now, RP dueling is far more realistic and fun.  I'd also like to take this chance to link you to this thread, which is brilliant.

[Gharan]

I totally agree with Shorty13. A few days ago I was RPing around the Plaza and got into an argument IC. One person overheard one sentence of it and came over demanding a fight, they probably didn't even know what I was arguing over and it was on the Plaza were supposedly there would be guards. After telling them I would only enter into an RP fight I was laughed at and they walked away and I may add it totally ruined the RP.

I have nothing against PvP, in-fact I quite enjoy it but people need to learn not to challenge too quick when they either have no reason or it's in a place that IC they should never get away with.

[bilbous]

Role-playing something that has been implemented, however poorly, is kind of silly. Role playing fighting is only barely acceptable to me because the system is somewhat unbalanced. If you don't like it just don't fight.
Would you sell me a real weapon for imaginary tria? I don't think so but I could easily claim that I had just spent five days mining gold and sold out to Harnquist for 200k tria which I would give you. True you could give me an imaginary weapon but what would be the point of the whole exchange.

At some point you just have to say "this is what we have and so we have to use it for now," otherwise there is no point in further development.

Don't mistake my meaning, if that is the sort of thing you want to do I won't lift a finger to stop you. Just don't get mad at me if you try to role-play a fight with me and I do not cooperate. As it stands now a duel cannot proceed without a challenge and an acceptance, and I do not accept challenges. If you try to role-play an unaccepted fight with me I will just ignore it.

[Zan]

I'm all for RP fighting, especially how they're described in that post by Rilar.

Dueling is for me still just that, dueling. A face-off between two individuals which leads to death in 99% of the cases. Dueling cannot be used for barfights, assassinations, wars, etc. You can't just knock your opponent to the ground or knock them out. You also can't attack your opponent by surprise since they always get a duel request. It is just an extremely limited and still unbalanced feature, which is reason enough for me to rarely use it.

[zanzibar]

I'm skeptical of anything Masoj says in reference to dueling since his idea of a "guild war" was for his entire guild to meet me in the middle of a field and to fight me all at once and if I died a single time then I'd have to "admit being defeated".  He turned his guild's secrecy setting on to hide that he had over 8 members online and he only wanted to fight me because of Solone's 100% OOC hatred of me.




If you want to encourage roleplaying, start with your own guild and punish the people who harass others OOCly.

[zhai]

RP fights, if done right, can do have something PvP doesn't but it cannot replace duels 100% of the times. Duels, when lead to by RP, are a great element to have.

A problem with RP fights is that they can only be as good as the players' RP skills, and I cringe when two godmodders startA RP-fight. It usually ends up with an actual [ooc] fight. That can be avoided though, just like PvP can be done within the frames of roleplay.

@Zanzibar: I can't quite tell if your comment adds anything to this particular discussion. It would seem you're using Masoj's thread to disguise a personal rant focused on him. I am sure you're familiar with this forum rule:

Threads that single out a player for ridicule or to accuse someone of actions in-game will be removed without notice.

It is just my impression though.

[zanzibar]

I'm just saying that certain people ruin the game.

[Zan]

Only if you let them, Zanz.

[zanzibar]

Only if you let them, Zanz.

I'm not so sure.

[Idoru]

Ive often wondered about RP fights. Dont they tend to dissolve into arguements about whether  someone hit or not, or how much the person was hurt by that claymore sticking out of their chest? Then again it is not something I have experienced myself as I dont like fighting at the best of times.

[Xillix Queen of Fools]

Rp fighting is really not to my taste at all.

I agree with bilbous I would not stop it from happening. From what i have seen it is almost always likely to end just as it did when we were 8 years old doing this with army men or barbies (insert whatever toys you used regardless of gender) "I shot you . . ." "no, you did not I have armor on" Substituting RP battles for Deuling is useful for those who agree to the rp battle if they cannot stand the dueling system is acceptable, but certainly not my ideal. I hope we can make some improvements on battle system. In the mean time realize that rp battling in the common area would be just as OOC as PVP dueling at harnquists. Arrange your RP battles for somewhere quiet where you will not be disturbed by "PLers." According to what you said above the person came into challenging you through RP, i see no problem with that.
In DnD you rp battle to an extent, but you have stats and dice and such to stop absurd bragodocious feats from being possible, their game balance has had 30 years or so to work itself out. Be patient and we may well have some improvements. If you legitimately enjoy RP fighting (again i cannot understand why you would), then just take care to do so in a place that is more in character.  If people are bugging you move. I recall some good rp battles between Zakk and farren Kutter IMO this was only possible because the same player controlled bot combatants and could script the outcome to suit his story needs. It worked as a piece of writing more than an in game interaction and justified some elements of Farren's characters.

One thing i know for certain, the quality of Role-playing in planeshift is in no way linked to the success or failure of Rp fighting. I never needed to rp battle and was lauded as a "good rper" I hosted player events and i dueled people in the tournaments. I slew noobs who challenged me as well. The duel/combat needs work, but if it was removed and replaced with:

* Xillix Queen of Fools takes sword and swings wide, the light of the azure sun blinding you as the strike heads for your throat

other combatant: "I close my eyes and focus on the training sinto gave me and parry though blinded"

I think I would cry.

Good luck on your rp fighting, try to do it in a place you will not be disturbed or use one of the other chat tabs for it.

[bilbous]

Of course in tabletop gaming you could usually bribe the GM with another Guinness or some such thing to get favorable rulings. Also engaging in a fine bout of Rules Lawyering has been know to work as well.