In PS, there are no [________]...

[Under the moon]

It has come to my attention that folks are playing a lot of things in the game for the simple reason they do not know that that certain thing does not exist. So, I thought we could write up a quick list of things we think that do not exist, and perhaps the Devs could poke it as fact, or not. Use the following format for ease of reading, and consistancy. and no silliness, please. I shall start with a short list.

There are no:

Dogs
Cats
Horses
Dragons
Vampires
Weirwolves, or wolves for that matter
Demons (though, I am guilty of supporting some RPs that involved them)
Slaves and slavery
Guns
Great wars between races (in modern PS, not the past)
Mountains (the snowcapped ones, not the glorrified hills)
The City of <insert the name of the city you made up here>

Ok, your turn.

[shorty13]

Demons can be in PS...there is a Daemon glyph [though not released to the public yet].
I also wouldn't go as far as no great wars between races...i'm sure we could create one if you want.

[neko kyouran]

There are no:

Dogs
Cats
Horses

Can be disputed, as recalling old forum posts, it was stated that npc's do make reference to such domesticated animals.  I do recall the general consensus to be that they don't exist though.   

I also wouldn't go as far as no great wars between races...i'm sure we could create one if you want.

Not if you wanted to follow the settings you won't.

[Earl_Listbard]

Slaves and slavery, is a concept UTM, concepts are created in one's mind... Not even the developers can dictate what one thinks and believes.


As for the rest I agree, big time on deamons, For one, deamons are by definition, fallen angels from heaven, or in some religons, anti-angels, no where does it say talad and laanx live in some spirit realm that in any way could be called or reffered to as 'heaven' so there is no place for angels, thus no place for fallen angels

As for Mountains, well, A mountain is a large land mass, bigger then a hill, right?... Why can't that exist in ps? And even so, we've seen it snow in ps, why can't snow cover the tops of these large land masses?



-EL

[zanzibar]

Slaves and slavery, is a concept UTM, concepts are created in one's mind... Not even the developers can dictate what one thinks and believes.

That's a really stupid response.

China is a concept.  Concepts are created in one's mind.  Not even the developers can dictate whether or not I can talk about China in game.

For one, deamons are by definition, fallen angels from heaven

Demon is just a word.  It can be used to mean different things.  In a fantasy setting, it can mean anything.

[Garon]

Demons can be in PS...there is a Daemon glyph [though not released to the public yet].
I also wouldn't go as far as no great wars between races...i'm sure we could create one if you want.

There's also a quest that mentions demons and summoning thereof, with a ritual.

I think demons are part of the settings.

However, there are no:

Uber glyphs of mind control that anyone can use
Uber spells that let you get out of any situation, no matter what it is (without limitations)

[lordraleigh]

The City of <insert the name of the city you made up here>

I'm pretty sure the members of the Survivors of Vaern will not agree with that.

Also if we take this approach we can remove many things that logically should exist but aren't currently mentioned in depth in the settings, like jails, courts, larger military forces(Sunshine squadron X All things that come from the Labyrinths? ) and such. Just because something isn't mentioned in the Settings is isn't a statement that it doesn't exist. Simply put: current settings are still  and many things will develop yet. RPing on what is available now and avoiding the "grey areas" altogether like law enforcement, justice and such would be pretty limited.

[Gharan]

Slaves and slavery

Couldn't see anything in the settings about this one that proves either side of the argument, guess we will have to wait on that one.

[lordraleigh]

Many forms of slavery didn't involve racism, but instead the exploitation of the defeated ones in a war by the victorious. Or there was the slavery by indebtation as well.

The proper replacement for that would be:

- Speciecism and racial hatred

Also I would add other things:

- Criminals that do their dirty work in front of guards during daylight (They would be already in jail)
- Duels in the middle of crowded and public areas full of guards
- Lethal violence on a daily basis(This isn't the slums of a violent city, but there could be exceptions in some specific locations)
- Inexistence of beggars / people on poverty ( Yliakum is a "free market" economy from what we currently know )
- Religious tolerance between Talad and Laanx followers as commonplace (
- A perfect (AKA superficial and unrealistic) government without any corruption
- Utopia (This is more or less analagous with RW medieval-renassaince age, and the gritty and dirty appearance of most houses in Hydlaa isn't a sign of a paradise as well)

[Gharan]

- Criminals that do their dirty work in front of guards during daylight (They would be already in jail)
- Duels in the middle of crowded and public areas full of guards
- Lethal violence on a daily basis(This isn't the slums of a violent city, but there could be exceptions in some specific locations)
- Inexistence of beggars / people on poverty ( Yliakum is a "free market" economy from what we currently know )
- Religious tolerance between Talad and Laanx followers as commonplace (
- A perfect (AKA superficial and unrealistic) government without any corruption
- Utopia (This is more or less analagous with RW medieval-renassaince age, and the gritty and dirty appearance of most houses in Hydlaa isn't a sign of a paradise as well)

This is a typical day in Hydlaa. 

[zanzibar]

Many forms of slavery didn't involve racism, but instead the exploitation of the defeated ones in a war by the victorious.

AKA racism.


The Spartans would enslave Athenians and all other non Spartans.  That's racism.  The Romans enslaved the Gauls and many other non Roman peoples.  That's racism.  The pattern continues.  Why?  Because the people you defeat in battle are of a different race or from a different place.  It's racism.

[lordraleigh]

Many forms of slavery didn't involve racism, but instead the exploitation of the defeated ones in a war by the victorious.

AKA racism.


The Spartans would enslave Athenians and all other non Spartans.  That's racism.  The Romans enslaved the Gauls and many other non Roman peoples.  That's racism.  The pattern continues.  Why?  Because the people you defeat in battle are of a different race or from a different place.  It's racism.

No, it is not racism but another form of prejudice known as xenophobia.

And there was the slavery by debts as well, where really indebted people would pay their debts through "servitude".

[zanzibar]

Many forms of slavery didn't involve racism, but instead the exploitation of the defeated ones in a war by the victorious.

AKA racism.


The Spartans would enslave Athenians and all other non Spartans.  That's racism.  The Romans enslaved the Gauls and many other non Roman peoples.  That's racism.  The pattern continues.  Why?  Because the people you defeat in battle are of a different race or from a different place.  It's racism.

No, it is not racism but another form of prejudice known as xenophobia.

And there was the slavery by debts as well, where really indebted people would pay their debts through "servitude".

*shrug* It's all Bigotry.

[Xanacru]

Couple of points:

1. Demons

The magic guide has this description of the Dark Way

...Some spells enables the control of horrific creatures, such as undead, demons, spirits. Some enable the caster to control objects and people in a subtle manner, at distance.

Also, Demon by definition doesn't necessarily mean a fallen angel from heaven. The origins have been somewhat forgotten but the word Demon itself is a version of the word Daemon, which by definition means a Demigod or a supernatural being. Such a Daemon could either be good or bad.

One of the definitions of Demon is even listed as Daemon in various dictionaries. And Daemon is even listed as a "god" sometimes. However, due to cultural and religious usage of the word and how it evolved, they do make a distinction between Daemon and Demon nowadays, where the latter usually implies an evil and malignant being or spirit. Hence, the expression "to demonize someone".

2. Mind control

I don't know about "uber" but both, Dark Way and Azure Way certainly have some mind control abilities. Not necessarily easily usable by anyone and on anyone but it does have some potential.

[lordraleigh]

Control Undead?

Now that is something for "evil" guilds. Raising an army of zombies... to be smashed! 

Currently there are no or little characters that "necromancers" on the common fantasy sense of the word in Planeshift.

About daemons...

Is eudaimonia evil?