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Bartholin

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Re: Name change policy complaint.
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2007, 06:14:45 am »
Well, I hope it works out for you... I was just trying to explain why a name change would never solve anything and that either a new char or "the waiting game" were your only choices.

Seriously though whoever is harassing you needs to grow-up...

humans dont grow-up just get bigger, smarter (sometimes ;) ) and uglyer.
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Re: Name change policy complaint.
« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2007, 06:21:54 am »
We have logs of and searches by IP addresses, and are able to view all the characters on various accounts. Finding alts is less difficult than you may think. Contact the GM team with names of the players who are bothering you, remember to use /report, and never ask for a name change if your character is dead - you will be asked to create a new one.
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Re: Name change policy complaint.
« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2007, 07:18:07 am »
Well, I hope it works out for you... I was just trying to explain why a name change would never solve anything and that either a new char or "the waiting game" were your only choices.

Seriously though whoever is harassing you needs to grow-up...

I was going to go into it more, but on better judgment, I think I better not, at least not yet anyways.

Long story summarized, a somewhat long while ago, I got my main's name changed becuase of OOC issues effecting IC actions due to people not being able to distinguish between RL and the IG world.  Me, it didn't bother, becuase I can ignore stupid people, but becuase they decided to mess with with my dear sweetums and her IG RPing, then I felt  I needed to do just go away so they wouldn't have anything to amuse themselves with and they would soon move onto other things and leave her alone.
 
After I changed it, I simply didn't log in for a few weeks.  When I finally did, and a few people asked me why I was on their list, I told them perhaps we were in a RP event, but becuase of computer problems, I haven't been around for quite some time, so they forgot who I was. 

And after doing all that, peace was restored.  :)

Never say never.   ;)
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Re: Name change policy complaint.
« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2007, 08:45:19 am »

I was going to go into it more, but on better judgment, I think I better not, at least not yet anyways.

Long story summarized, a somewhat long while ago, I got my main's name changed becuase of OOC issues effecting IC actions due to people not being able to distinguish between RL and the IG world.  Me, it didn't bother, becuase I can ignore stupid people, but becuase they decided to mess with with my dear sweetums and her IG RPing, then I felt  I needed to do just go away so they wouldn't have anything to amuse themselves with and they would soon move onto other things and leave her alone.
 
After I changed it, I simply didn't log in for a few weeks.  When I finally did, and a few people asked me why I was on their list, I told them perhaps we were in a RP event, but becuase of computer problems, I haven't been around for quite some time, so they forgot who I was. 

And after doing all that, peace was restored.  :)

Never say never.   ;)

What is the gamw rold comming to when a gm needs a name change lol. It sucks but it happens, I cant say that my harrasment is nearly as bad as yours was, but it doesnt affect my ig wife since almost noone knows who she is :whistle randomly:. However, it is bad enough that i can not buy, sell anything in market, join an rp outside my close friends, or feel safe in my own guild. sometime ago i had to kick almost everyone out of another guild becuase they were nothing but alts made by other guild;s members. (about 40+- kicks) its just stupid how somethings are allowed to happen, or rather unstoppable. But yea.. lol. sucks. :D

Neko isn't a GM :) Plus if a GM is being harassed, they've ways to deal with it that involve something bigger than name changes.

I assumed he was since he had moc in forums ;) anyway, i know that a gm can easly handle harrasment, they cimple click the "kick" cmd or if server "Ban" :) however, what of the ones that were harrased pre gm status? :) they surly could not do anything but call upon the aid of our heros the gm's  :D.
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Re: Name change policy complaint.
« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2007, 08:50:37 am »
Neko isn't a GM :) Plus if a GM is being harassed, they've ways to deal with it that involve something bigger than name changes.
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Re: Name change policy complaint.
« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2007, 08:59:32 am »
Neko isn't a GM


...yet.   



 :whistling:

First forum mod, then GM, pretty soon PS director.... no?

Edit: I suppose I should clarify for those select few lacking in a sense of humor... the above was made in a joking tone.  I'm perfectly happy just being the lowly forum mod no one likes, always having to live in Karyuu's shadow of now nearly 9k posts. 
« Last Edit: April 14, 2007, 09:05:59 am by neko kyouran »

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Re: Name change policy complaint.
« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2007, 09:19:15 am »
Everyone becomes known by their actions, their words, and how they deal with confrontational situations. Coining the old addage "You made your bed, so now you have to lie in it." really comes to mind on this subject.  I have not dealt with your character on a personal basis but I have heard things. This does not mean I, or anyone else for that matter, judges you on heresay (Or at least I hope they wouldn't ;)).  Bottom line is the longer you reside in the realm you become known for your actions. If you are nice and charitable most of the time people will soon realize it even if 'mud' has been flung at you. Honestly it sounds as though you are going through a crisis at the moment and my advice to you Bartholin is to be yourself and also accountable for all you do. If you are O.k. with yourself then screw everyone else and what they think. Just move on. 

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Re: Name change policy complaint.
« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2007, 09:33:09 am »
I'm perfectly happy just being the lowly forum mod no one likes, always having to live in Karyuu's shadow of now nearly 9k posts.

As long as you understood what you were getting into... :P
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Re: Name change policy complaint.
« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2007, 09:39:21 am »
Everyone becomes known by their actions, their words, and how they deal with confrontational situations.
... In a perfect world.  Unfortunately, PS is still in developement.:)
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Re: Name change policy complaint.
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2007, 09:48:26 am »
Everyone becomes known by their actions, their words, and how they deal with confrontational situations. Coining the old addage "You made your bed, so now you have to lie in it." really comes to mind on this subject.  I have not dealt with your character on a personal basis but I have heard things. This does not mean I, or anyone else for that matter, judges you on heresay (Or at least I hope they wouldn't ;)).  Bottom line is the longer you reside in the realm you become known for your actions. If you are nice and charitable most of the time people will soon realize it even if 'mud' has been flung at you. Honestly it sounds as though you are going through a crisis at the moment and my advice to you Bartholin is to be yourself and also accountable for all you do. If you are O.k. with yourself then screw everyone else and what they think. Just move on. 

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It is hard to combate a group of people when they use alts. A new player ingame seldom if never goes against a group, and as that player plays in the game, will remember what they heard about such a such person and apply it to thier actions, further spreading the bad or even good name of that person reguardless on how well they know that certain person. You heard things about me, yet you like so many others refused to comfront me about these things either due to lazyness or to that fact that you just decided to beleave it as fact. I welcome any person to call me on an action i do, to contact me in or out of game to talk to me about any action i did, or didnt not. I do not like being called a theft of my own goods. I dont like having to have 600 for gold ore, i dont like being labled something i did not work for. Its just the way humans are i spose. Greedy, unforgiving basterds. I retired from the game for a good 2 months, and on my return i noticed that i heard NOTHING about anything i heard a week before i returned, however, after 3 days, i was already hearing of me doing actions that i could not have done, or wouldnt have done. How can a person be focused on stealing kills/ items/ money, also be in an rp takling all there time? IDK.. not poss. But i digress.

By all means, approach me in game, ask me questions about something you heard i did good or bad ic or ooc. I refuse to host another event due to the actions of some. I just will not do it. I gave away MILLIONS werth in weapons and items, however i was soon labled a theft of my own items. Its just not right how players can not stand for honor any longer, but must skrew with others just becuase they have a grude against them. One solution would be to remove alts and extra accounts, and another that i seem to have to do, is to just start completly over with a new account, and not do anything even related to another player.

THe game does infact resemble life, in that if a person is welthy, gives vast amount of money away, and is pleasant all around, thier name will be targeted, or if your evil, you can have as much fuin as you want as long as your smart enough to get away with it. But thats all off topic  :(.

I do not plan on being very active on ps much long if such things can persist. Bartholin was my one an only account untill a few weeks ago, when i had decided to eliminate him. I tried and failed at rp as if i do rp, my name is attacked reguardless of my actions. And again, i am more the glade to clear up any questions about my actions, alts, items, so on. EIther in or out of game.

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Re: Name change policy complaint.
« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2007, 10:19:42 am »
Bartholin, you seem desperate.  Have you considered beating him at his own game?
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Re: Name change policy complaint.
« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2007, 11:07:09 am »
Bartholin, you seem desperate.  Have you considered beating him at his own game?

 ;D i dont have to kinda time. lets just say that i have more morals.. and again, i run into the problem of not knowing who the persons are so i cant infact do anything about it, THUS i did what i did.

Plz read all posts before posting. :)

WOW this thread is going  :offtopic:  ;D
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Re: Name change policy complaint.
« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2007, 03:08:47 pm »
Bartholin,

Not changing names to avoid reputational consequences is one of the key ingredients of keeping a (somewhat) civil society in PS.  The longer you go with a character, the more time is invested, the more cost there is to starting a new character.  This means that the more advanced players have to live with the reputations they have earned, either through their IC or OOC playing.

In other MMO communities I've seen, this is taken to a much higher level, with forum-based blacklists of KSers and griefers, etc.

If we allowed you (or anyone) to change their name, we have effectively removed the cost of misbehaving and allowed the misbehaving person to get off scot free.  As it stands today, your choices are to keep playing and change your reputation, or start a new character and turn over a new leaf with it.  Those are both good choices, afaic, from the community's perspective.

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Re: Name change policy complaint.
« Reply #28 on: April 17, 2007, 03:44:35 pm »
If we allowed you (or anyone) to change their name, we have effectively removed the cost of misbehaving and allowed the misbehaving person to get off scot free.  As it stands today, your choices are to keep playing and change your reputation, or start a new character and turn over a new leaf with it.  Those are both good choices, afaic, from the community's perspective.

I believe the point is that his reputation is ill-founded and based on rumours started by the 'enemy' due to OOC differences. I do understand that without a /report of the original event GMs are in no way capable of discerning who is in the right and would just have to trust the word of one player over another which would be unfair to everyone.

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Re: Name change policy complaint.
« Reply #29 on: April 17, 2007, 04:34:36 pm »
Call me oblivious but I haven't heard anything good or bad about him but I have seen him a few times. Perhaps if one person or other wants to believe everything they hear without discovering first hand the truth they are not worth worrying about. This sounds like so much high school melodrama, perhaps we should change the game name to 90210 or degrassi or something. If the "cool kids" are taunting you, they are not very cool are they?!

The preceding was a bit of friendly advice and is not to be considered a pronouncement of judgment of anyone particularly not of the OP.