A quick review on the PVP area

[zanzibar]

- It's great that Dlayo can run.  He's no longer a sitting duck for arrows and it's forcing people to work together.

- Almost everyone understands the settings of the zone.

- People become very angry if someone else actually attacks them while in the zone.  I've seen a few guys start to drop f bombs and do other "innapropriate" and OOC things after being attacked.

- People are going afk while in the zone.

- I've seen groups of as many as six people working together to camp Dlayo and kill anyone who isn't a part of the group.

- If you have your character face a wall while unarmed, you'll probably be attacked by people there to camp Dlayo.

- People are using magic attacks against other players while in the zone.

- People are using magic attacks from the door so that they can retreat to safety if their victim gets too close.


I've been going to the arena to engage in player killing every so often.  Just like I said would happen, people have learned to gang up on the problem players.  If I go there, I can expect five people to attack me all at once while ignoring eachother.  It's exactly what I predicted could happen with open PVP.

The problem I see is that people aren't treating the zone as a place to fight other players.  They see it as a place to camp a unique NPC, and PvP is merely an inconvenience for them.  The proof for this is pretty clear:  People become angry when attacked, people are going afk, people are ganging up on anyone who engages in player killing, people are going there only because Dlayo is there, people are using magic attacks when fighting other players, and so on.  So because of how people are using it, the zone is not a place people can go to compete with each another.


Edit to include more observations:

- People who aren't with a group are very unlikely to attack anyone else.

[dying_inside]

if people are trying to  hit and then run to safty of the door, then once you enter the PVP zone you should be  marked for a few minutes after you leave he zone, meaning that  you can be attacked outside the zone  and therefore  running away wont be as effective as it seeems. if you can run for long enough  then your cowardice  can be rewarded with prolonged lifespans, but if your casting from a distance and then hiding behind the zone limiters people should be able to do somthhing about that.  You enter the zone you stay PVPable for five minutes. 

[Narure]

What about the poor newbie that stumbles in there out of curiosity, realises their mistake and pegs it, only to be persued by a crazed rabble, foaming at the mouth for a whole five minutes? AKA five mins is too long.

[bilbous]

Five minutes isn't to much to log off for, it is what I would do in that situation.

[Zwenze]

I have seen the following two behaviours I highly deprecate:

1) Shooting at the dlayo from the outside with arrows. I was inside the PvP and fought the Dlayo. I made a first hit and suddenly I got "You cannot attack Dylao. You have to be grouped with XYZ".  The fact that the glad continued to hunt me while the arrower took a looooong time to arrow him down didn't make the things better.  The Dlayo should be impervious for everyone outside the PvP and if someone is actually attacking him, someone should not be able to leave the pvp.

2)Backstabbers. They might think its funny to attack a group, that is fighting the glad. But complaining when they return back and arrow or hunt him down shows to me, he can give out griev but can't accept to take griev. Alltough that was managed by players as they picked him up whenevr he appeared. 

[zanzibar]

2)Backstabbers. They might think its funny to attack a group, that is fighting the glad. But complaining when they return back and arrow or hunt him down shows to me, he can give out griev but can't accept to take griev. Alltough that was managed by players as they picked him up whenevr he appeared. 

Let me get this straight... you're complaining about someone attacking you in a PvP zone?

[Earl_Listbard]

I've been going to the arena to engage in player killing every so often.  Just like I said would happen, people have learned to gang up on the problem players.  If I go there, I can expect five people to attack me all at once while ignoring eachother.  It's exactly what I predicted could happen with open PVP.

Bring some friends of your own.

Its like xillix said, 'king of the hill', and the prize for being ontop is the dlayo. So bring a group.

Though you do make some good points, alas I cannot see how any of them can be fulfilled without brainwashing players.

[zanzibar]

Bring some friends of your own.

Its like xillix said, 'king of the hill', and the prize for being ontop is the dlayo. So bring a group.

See, I'd consider that unfair and griefing.

Though you do make some good points, alas I cannot see how any of them can be fulfilled without brainwashing players.

Thanks.  I'm just making observations though.

[Xillix Queen of Fools]

i do not see why a second thread was needed . . .

[Zwenze]

2)Backstabbers. They might think its funny to attack a group, that is fighting the glad. But complaining when they return back and arrow or hunt him down shows to me, he can give out griev but can't accept to take griev. Alltough that was managed by players as they picked him up whenevr he appeared. 

Let me get this straight... you're complaining about someone attacking you in a PvP zone?

I am complaining about someone who backstabbed a mage in PvP area and when he gets hit by the mage arrows he complains.

I know that pvp area is intended to attack players. But not running in and within seconds attacking. There is no chance to select the attacker and hit back.
And when you where finally able to target said player (after coming back from DR) and attack him, he shouts that attacking with arrow is unfair. At that point I was annoyed.

[dying_inside]

Five minutes isn't to much to log off for, it is what I would do in that situation.

Simple solution, fix it so that you cant log off during that tagged time.

As for the newbie, there should be a VERY clear notice that the area is a PVP zone.

[Xillix Queen of Fools]

um it is not clear?

I do not wish to add any OOC warnings to the area

[zanzibar]

I am complaining about someone who backstabbed a mage in PvP area and when he gets hit by the mage arrows he complains.

Using magic in duels is usually seen as rude.  It's an arena, not a magic school.

Then again, it sounds like that mage was probably just trying to kill the guy so he could have Dlayo to himself.

[Karyuu]

Why all this animosity towards magic? Yliakum is not a land where mages are considered lesser beings, nor an evil force, nor arrogant superiors. I don't understand the mentalities I am seeing from some players.

[Xillix Queen of Fools]

Karyuu it is mostly a strange issue of balance Karyuu you have to see what is happening to understand why there are some complaints.