RPcorner: Godmodding. Something to report to a GM?

[Vengeance]

Sounds incredibly stupid to me.  I'd say </ignore godmodder> and move on.

[drah]

So what is the opinion you hold if someone is mob lynched by 5 people. More often than not they will either godmod out of it or walk away from the RP just because it doesnt favour their character. In this case the person god modding isnt the assulting but the defending. Does it make a difference?

I've lost count of the number of times I've ambushed or raided places (or seen others doing it) only to find those being assaulted fail to act realistically and almost always god-mod out of it.  It's at the point where the only way to do this successfully is to arrange it with the victims beforehand.

I'm not saying people should fight or get drawn into the confrontation, but if you're obviously outnumbered and 'outgunned'.. why stand around? ... just run away, like most people would in that situation.

The last "fun" like this that I observed involved 2 enkidukais.  Both were unphased by being outnumbered 6-2, one of them was throwing daggers and dictating the consequences of their throws... AND dictating the surroundings and environment (just to deny the other party their non-battle related roleplay). - I immediately countered this by providing the items being denied by using actual in-game resources that could be used as props to counter the godmodding.

The other enkidukai then told the 6 assailants that THEIR RP was bad!! - After watching his accomplice double godmod, and knowing this person is somewhat respected, I just laughed.

This is why I barely bother with confrontations any more.  I like RP, but confrontational RP (which would unfortunately  be commonplace in my character's line of work) often ends up devolving into nonsense unless it's planned in advance between both parties.

There are exceptions, but the majority of the time, with a random sampling of players.. the results are usually disappointing. (and I don't mean disappointing because they won't fight, just that they don't act realistically whether fleeing, fighting or talking their way out of it)

I don't want or expect people to fight, but I do expect them to act with some level of reasoning and to act in accordance with their surroundings and the situation they find themselves in... because ultimately, that's roleplaying.

Still, this has been going on for ages, since before I even played PS... so I don't think there's much that can be done to change it.  You just have to be a little bit picky about who you RP with... and who you avoid RPing with... at least, for confrontational roleplay.

[Feline Prince]

Well thats the main problem. An assailant godmodding is seen as unaceptable. A defendant godmodding is almost common place. Players seem rightious because they are playing the 'good' player in the affair, note the extra 'o'. RP should reflect real life, not the movies. And even in the movies the common people run away leaving the one hero to save the day, but in real life that hero would then die.

[Zan]

I find it wrong in both positions, you're right though that godmodding from a defensive position is probably even more common than the other way around. People don't want to lose. So I have to agree with Drah, confrontational RP usually ends up in one or both parties being irritated.

My last experience was with a person who allegedly tried to rob someone and was immediately surrounded by a herd of 'heroic' bounty hunters who wanted to cut her head off. Now I'm not going into the fact that killing someone for attempted robbery is pushing it but that person obviously didn't want to die and refused all duel challenges. She should have accepted the consequences instead and either handed herself over to the bloodthirsty mob or at least the city guards.

[Peacer]

Godmodding. Something to report to a GM?

no.

+1

Umm wtf is godmodding?  :-)

ROFL XD

[zanzibar]

I find it wrong in both positions, you're right though that godmodding from a defensive position is probably even more common than the other way around. People don't want to lose. So I have to agree with Drah, confrontational RP usually ends up in one or both parties being irritated.

My last experience was with a person who allegedly tried to rob someone and was immediately surrounded by a herd of 'heroic' bounty hunters who wanted to cut her head off. Now I'm not going into the fact that killing someone for attempted robbery is pushing it but that person obviously didn't want to die and refused all duel challenges. She should have accepted the consequences instead and either handed herself over to the bloodthirsty mob or at least the city guards.

The consequences of what, exactly?  Being accused of something?  Does this mean I can accuse anyone I don't like of theivery and then yell at them when they refuse my duel challenge?

[Feline Prince]

Yes you can. As long as you stay IC.

[zanzibar]

Yes you can. As long as you stay IC.

No I can't.  It's harassment.

[Zan]

Exactly, the consequences of being accused. Either you admit your crime, you try to escape and run or you stay calm, go to the authorities and explain everything. Whether she really did try to take something or not doesn't matter that much. By the way ... I said I wasn't going to go into the challengers, which obviously means I didn't fully agree with what they did either. This was just a clear example of defensive godmodding.

I find nothing wrong with refusing duel challenges but only if you chose for an alternative with more RP value.

[Feline Prince]

Yes you can. As long as you stay IC.

No I can't.  It's harassment.

If your reason for disliking them is IC and you act IC then unless they tell you ooc to stop it there is nothing wrong with it. You dont need to worry about hurting peoples characters feelings. Just the people.

[zanzibar]

What usually happens is a group of misguided players will surround someone and then all challenge that person at once.  When the person declines the challenges (and why shouldn't they decline the challenges?) the chat then fills up with 20 shouts of "X is a coward, omg!!11".

People who protect themselves from abusive actions aren't the godmoders.  The godmoders are the people who think they have the right to walk up to anyone anytime and kill them.

[Garile]

*smiles*

I would say both. The one who RPs as if no swords are pointed at him and simply does the happy happy dance while sticking out his tongue and just walking away and the people wielding swords right in front of guards and don't RP acording to that.

I mean in the end this is a pretty violent society with almost everyone walking around with a sword or axe or daggger and often knowing rather welll how to use it. Being threatened at the plaza I think would be silly most of the time, but on the other hand being threatened in an alley is quite a different matter.

In the end I feel most godmodding is solved with three simple rules

1. Give others a chance. If you see it as a story know it's one you write together.

2. Don't RP abilities that aren't implemented yet unless you are sure they are usable in the setting. Like cooking isn't implemented but it's mentioned so both comon sence and the naming already show our character will be able to learn how to cook. (Can't wait to start making applepie)

3. Allow something bad to happen to your character once in a while. And with bad I don't mean something you planned, but if something happened that you didn't plan on go along with it and don't fret all the time if it might get your character hurt or not.

Wish people followed these rules.