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Re: New Weapon
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2007, 01:45:29 am »
Araye, the weapon concept is going to be modified :) The final form will not be a direct copy. Moreover, I am hoping to get the no-forum-showing unwritten rule changed, and I believe I have some of the ability necessary to do that - our "What the Team needs from You" thread is a good precedent of what else may come in the future. Be optimistic!
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Re: New Weapon
« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2007, 04:46:34 am »
Hey man, form follows function I beleive! Its not like there is no room for ornamentation. Even the horns of a helmet have a function of intimidation. I love things that look badass, I just dont want things that are ridiculous.

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« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2007, 03:46:00 pm »
The Bat'leth is a versatile weapon and shield. I have seen some good fight scenes with this and I think it can be very practical if used correctly. These can be used with a single hand or both, depending on fighting style and situation. It’s kinda like Ti-Chi meets Road Warrior ;)  Each one is designed for its owner for perfect weight and balance as well as size; it becomes part of the wielder.

In this link it shows 3 distinct designs.

Here is a so-so demonstration: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7cFeljgO3Y

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Re: New Weapon
« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2007, 04:04:37 pm »
Hey man, form follows function I beleive! Its not like there is no room for ornamentation. Even the horns of a helmet have a function of intimidation. I love things that look badass, I just dont want things that are ridiculous.

If they are going to be a bit like hand size... they would make excellent boxing gloves  ;)
If they are going to be a bit bigger, like Short sword sizes then see this following cartoon about it ;)


As you can see you can use the blade the disshead an oppentent very easy with holding the oppents on the ground and just push with the blade *tsjak* his head off ;)

Very functional for a weapon   \\o//

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Re: New Weapon
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2007, 04:46:12 pm »
erm, nice diagram
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Re: New Weapon
« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2007, 04:57:16 pm »
erm, nice diagram


Anywaym it's not about the diagram, it's about the weapon and it's functionality  :detective: Both are excellent!  :lol:
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« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2007, 05:31:34 pm »
i give my best and working on;-)

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Re: New Weapon
« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2007, 06:19:49 pm »
Indeed... I fixed that image for you... I added a little thing I like to call, 'Really'



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Re: New Weapon
« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2007, 07:50:17 pm »
The Bat'leth is a versatile weapon and shield. I have seen some good fight scenes with this and I think it can be very practical if used correctly.
Yes, I'm also sure Jackie Chan could show us how much of a lethal weapon a spoon can be if used correctly.

Here is a so-so demonstration: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7cFeljgO3Y
Aye, thank you for showing us why this weapon would not work.
As we can see on the video, when wielded in two hands, this weapon would lack any considerable force on impact. Length of a weapon more often than not is a critical matter when it comes to dealing damage. This can be best observed with swords. If you hit with part of the blade near to hilt, it may at best push your opponent away. Now hitting with part closer to the tip of the blade could easily knock him out (unless he's wearing plate armour, in which case slashing at him would be just stupid). This also explains why longswords are more lethal than shortswords. The exception to this rule comes in the form of piercing weaponry, such as daggers or rapiers, but usage of this weapon doesn't quite resemble those. Here much better would be a long staff with blades attached at its ends. It would give much better range and strength on impact. If used correctly, it could also drive people away from the short distance. Alternative is simple shortsword. Much faster and much more flexible. Allows you to deliver blows from much greater arch without actually getting uncovered for a longer time. Additionally you have left hand ready to use shield, parrying weapon or another shortsword. Also, when you use weapons like that, you have to deliver the blows using your enire body. That guy uses only his arms, which makes it all the more amusing.
It may somehow work on short distance, but it wouldn't damage plate or chainmail. Additionally I have my doubts as to the leather. And let's be frank. Most people that go into short distance are those who use either shortswords or daggers. Both of those weapons are faster and much more lethal than what was presented on that video. But I guess you could use it to a good effect against armourless fist-fighting monks. But you wouldn't actually defeat spoon-wielding Jackie Chan. As to its defending possibilities, I'd like to see that guy parrying attack at legs. Completely out of range.

Now as one-handed weapon. Bulky. There's just no way to manouver this thing during actual fight. Look at the video. That silly man has problems with delivering a straight blow with that silly thing when he wields it with one hand. And by the way, that back attack is a good example of what not to do during a fight.

If it wasn't for the spread-into-two blades thingy, I could kind of see its use if held with two hands, where one of hands takes the central handle, and used like a sword. It wouldn't be as fast or powerful as normal equivalents, but at least it might have a chance to damage anything beyond bare skin.
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Re: New Weapon
« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2007, 07:57:18 pm »
It doesnt look like somthing that would be used for anything other than decorative purposes because normal swords are easier to use, more effective and easier to make.
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« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2007, 07:58:35 pm »
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Yes, I'm also sure Jackie Chan could show us how much of a lethal weapon a spoon can be if used correctly.


Offtopic:

Jackie Chan Sucks if compared with

Best weapon in the world(in the hands of its only master)  :whistling:

Swiss Army Knife!!!!

The Master of Swiss Army Knife >>>>> Jackie Chan  :woot:

Ontopic:

Indeed... I fixed that image for you... I added a little thing I like to call, 'Really'

Weapons are not developed to be unpractical and more dangerous to the wielder than to its opponents.

It doesnt look like somthing that would be used for anything other than decorative purposes because normal swords are easier to use, more effective and easier to make.

It could still be a great non-conventional weapon, if you handed it as a gift to your enemies, just like some greeks did to trojans...  >o) It's resemblance to Star Trek(A series known for having some non-ergonomical weapons) add to OOCness. Perhaps you could recycle the idea?
« Last Edit: May 03, 2007, 08:00:20 pm by Raleigh »

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Re: New Weapon
« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2007, 08:11:16 pm »
It doesnt look like somthing that would be used for anything other than decorative purposes because normal swords are easier to use, more effective and easier to make.
Maybe a bit difficult to use, but that doesn't make it worse... A car is more dificult to handle then a Bike, still A car kills a lot more xD
and how do you know swords are more effective? Just beacsue it was in the crappy serries or start trek (no offense) doesn't mean the design is bad.

I mean C'mon, let real experts be judging about 'how well the weapons handles in fight' So no more comment about that, unless you are a weapon expert. (Aren't there rules for only 'programming people can complain about the codes and stuff?)

And what IF a weapons expert says it a crap weapon? Don't we have in RL 'a rock' as weapons and a 'tank'?
Or do you only want 'Super' weapons in PS?
And last but not least, it still beats a Sword in chopping of heads!
Example: I have my oppent kicked down on the floor, now for a long sword (and claymore) I should get up to make a decend head chopping swing. For a short swords I would have to push on it with both hands (for a clean cut one hand on the blade of the swords, ouchy). with a áwesome blade' you only have to push like a bocking gloves and chop!  ;)Piemont's design still rules!

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Re: New Weapon
« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2007, 09:06:24 pm »
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Weapons are not developed to be unpractical and more dangerous to the wielder than to its opponents.


Gee, you think? XD

This weapon looks like it would be deadly in the hands of anyone but an elite fighter... making it unreasonable to use in standing armies [because an army of super elite swordsmen is rare] and it costs too much material to make, look at its size, not to mention it would easily be damaged, and would be a pain to repair... Its just not logical.

EDIT: not to mention its bulky... and would be a pain to use in close quarters... and the fact its double bladed just screams 'Friendly fire'
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Re: New Weapon
« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2007, 09:09:03 pm »
Gee, you think? XD

This weapon looks like it would be deadly int he hands of anyone but an elite fighter... making it unreasonable to use in standing armies [because an army of super elite swordsmen is rare] and it costs too much material to make, look at its size, not to mention it would easily be damaged, and would be a pain to repair... Its just not logical.
Are dust piles logic?

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« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2007, 09:09:32 pm »
are dust piles weapons?