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Re: New Weapon
« Reply #60 on: May 04, 2007, 09:23:51 pm »
They fall under mellee surely? you use the same techniques as punching and slaping just do more damage with them.
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Re: New Weapon
« Reply #61 on: May 04, 2007, 09:38:26 pm »
They fall under mellee surely? you use the same techniques as punching and slaping just do more damage with them.
Not really,  when you 'hit' some one you kinda 'bounce off' (except Super fighters that can slam their hand through ones chest and rip a heart out :P ) if you know what i mean  ;)
With this 'pointy' weapons you either miss, bounce off (on Heavy armor) or slash through/get stuck

So to fight heavy armor you have to know thingies about the little knifes and daggers (for the small holes you can stick it through, or tickle your opponent through them till they die/yield of laughing)
For the other armors (or none) You can either handle it like a knife (short pointy attacks) swords (more of a slashing attack) or an axes (dash and slash)
Of course a combo is possible ;)

Cause I don't see so much 'damaging' effect if you just punch and slap with it, I think a woman's hand is better for that kind of action  :P

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Re: New Weapon
« Reply #62 on: May 04, 2007, 09:39:06 pm »
Yes, in most all paper rpg's, claws are melee.

There are exceptions of course (ie. rpg's that have claws as a skill), but even so, melee modifies the skill as well.  It could be as simple as +5 damage or a larger die roll, ie. instead of a 1d2 (punch) for a damage roll you'd get 1d3, 1d4, or 1d8 (think ulber sized animal as a 1d8 is same as a long sword) depending on the size of the clawed creature and your "to hit" roll would be based on your melee skill.

You also get your STR and DEX bonus most of the time, which can be advantagous too.
« Last Edit: May 04, 2007, 09:46:44 pm by Araye »

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Re: New Weapon
« Reply #63 on: May 04, 2007, 10:02:32 pm »
now now childeren, lets all breath.... then you can buy me dinner.... or a beer.... or both....just buy me something or else your just being insulting >:|


anyways, them weapons are kinda different, and if were talking fighting styles then more so...

although i have to admit... in a fight i woulden't use em... i just think they look cool.... kinda like something i'd put on my wall...

there is a reason humans made swords and spears to kill each other with... there fairly good at doing it >.>


that being said it is a fantasy setting so small streches in reality in terms of combat should be ok :P


To sum up that random assortment of words im on the fence on this issue..


Also.. It be awsome if we had tanto's in the game... now thats a good weapon to fight with..


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Re: New Weapon
« Reply #64 on: May 04, 2007, 10:04:32 pm »
It's believable that enkidukai developed their own style of martial arts that perfected combat with claws, so I think it would be ok to have claw weapons in the game and have them be competitive with swords etcetera.
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Re: New Weapon
« Reply #65 on: May 04, 2007, 10:13:15 pm »
I disagree, Frankly I don't care if you're jackie chan, but if you go up against a full armored knight with a longsword and a broad sheild and you bring along a little knife, or claws etc etc, I think your pretty well screwed. The only way I could see the knife/claw guy winning is if the knight was like......duuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.......

But other wise if both fighters are near the same skill level, theres no chance a claw/dagger guy is going to "be competitive with swords"

Though enkis and klyros should get melee bonuses, because of the fact they both have claws (if not enki defninatly klyros, just look at those talons!)

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Re: New Weapon
« Reply #66 on: May 04, 2007, 10:16:01 pm »
I disagree, Frankly I don't care if you're jackie chan, but if you go up against a full armored knight with a longsword and a broad sheild and you bring along a little knife, or claws etc etc, I think your pretty well screwed. The only way I could see the knife/claw guy winning is if the knight was like......duuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.......

Ehh You kinda run and jump around, spitting the knight in the face, making a big hysteria, wait till he is exhausted then try to tackle him.. kick the sword out of his hands  :whistling: Do whatever you want with him, He ain't going to get up that fast ;)

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Re: New Weapon
« Reply #67 on: May 04, 2007, 10:16:23 pm »
I disagree, Frankly I don't care if you're jackie chan, but if you go up against a full armored knight with a longsword and a broad sheild and you bring along a little knife, or claws etc etc, I think your pretty well screwed. The only way I could see the knife/claw guy winning is if the knight was like......duuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.......

But other wise if both fighters are near the same skill level, theres no chance a claw/dagger guy is going to "be competitive with swords"

Though enkis and klyros should get melee bonuses, because of the fact they both have claws (if not enki defninatly klyros, just look at those talons!)




i would almost agree.... if your thinking lame small things :D


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Re: New Weapon
« Reply #68 on: May 04, 2007, 10:22:16 pm »
I disagree, Frankly I don't care if you're jackie chan, but if you go up against a full armored knight with a longsword and a broad sheild and you bring along a little knife, or claws etc etc, I think your pretty well screwed. The only way I could see the knife/claw guy winning is if the knight was like......duuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.......

But other wise if both fighters are near the same skill level, theres no chance a claw/dagger guy is going to "be competitive with swords"

Though enkis and klyros should get melee bonuses, because of the fact they both have claws (if not enki defninatly klyros, just look at those talons!)




i would almost agree.... if your thinking lame small things :D




one word... yikes...


and to the weird fenki lady who talks to apples...

Have you ever watched the movie braveheart? Im not talking about fully plated knights, im talking about chainmail, battle hardened warriors who can, in one swing, kill a man, no, not with a neck slice, but with a torso strike. A dagger or claw sort of weaponry requires many well placed hits to take an opponet down, let alone an armored opponet.

All it takes is one hit from a sword to kill you, while a dagger/knife/claw may take several hits, and who says a knight can't dodge as well as a skirmisher?


My only point is, daggers and claws don't actually meet the mark against a swordsman, or an axeman, or a maceman, other wise history would have shown armies of guys with little daggers stabbing each other rather then groups of guys with big swords stabing each other...



(Before you ask, yes, I hate knives & dagger users...)
« Last Edit: May 04, 2007, 10:24:17 pm by Earl_Listbard »

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Re: New Weapon
« Reply #69 on: May 04, 2007, 10:42:51 pm »
a full armored knight with a longsword and a broad sheild and you bring along a little knife.
:whistling: Sounds not like braveheart
And Dagger as a bit bigger then knifes :
http://images.google.nl/images?svnum=10&um=1&hl=nl&q=dagger&btnG=Afbeeldingen+zoeken
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Re: New Weapon
« Reply #70 on: May 04, 2007, 10:46:02 pm »
err i also just noticed... when i said tanto i was thinking



like them... not the small japanese dagger thing....


also Earl_Listbard thats nice they where used in armys... however this is small groups of adventures in a fantasy game... in this kind of battlefeild more weapons can be used to a good effect... a guy may be wearing plate but if you sneak up behind em and pull there neck up so the joint in the plate opens up.. hey presto neck wound :D

that sort of thing was not quite so easy on a battlefield so thats why you never saw them used :)


Daggers may be small but damn can they get them tought to hit spots a big ol sword cant get ^^
« Last Edit: May 04, 2007, 10:47:47 pm by seperot »

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Re: New Weapon
« Reply #71 on: May 04, 2007, 10:46:36 pm »
True, but try assassination with a claymore :P

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Re: New Weapon
« Reply #72 on: May 04, 2007, 10:52:42 pm »
fair enough...


Allow me to make this simple then.


Soldier 1                                   Soldier 2
o|--                                               -----|o

(armed with a dagger {|--})          (armed with a basic steel sword {-----|})


if they both charge each other, and engage in combat, who will be able to hit first, baised on having the longer weapon and thus not having to be as close to the enemy to attack?

Thus, who is more likely to make a sucessful hit?


And, considering the length of the actual blade, and the depth of the penitration baised on the entire size of the blade whos more likely to do more damage with their blade?


Now let us consider, the fact that in ps (and this really PMO alot here) that daggers hit at the same range as a-... well thats a different rant.... Point is in no way does a dagger, due to its range, have a chance against a sword, due to its range.... unless there is a signifficant skill differeance. AND theoretically speaking no dagger should be able to hit for a damage number above 80, unless critical, due to the length of the blade itself only being able to reach so far into the flesh and thats if its a stab which is easily dodgeable, most attacks are a slash which only cuts, and due to the daggers size we're not talking that big of a cut. (just look at the size of our daggers, they're like toothpicks.)

*EL rests his case*
« Last Edit: May 04, 2007, 10:58:29 pm by Earl_Listbard »

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Re: New Weapon
« Reply #73 on: May 04, 2007, 10:59:32 pm »
You're only talking about war.  Fights really aren't the way you seem to picture them.

I've been in fights before, I've wanted guns and daggers.  Never have I thought "Hmm, a big freaking sword would be awesome right now".

If you add in armor, sure, sword wins.  Otherwise it's a surprisingly close battle, dependent only on how close the dagger weilder can get.

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Re: New Weapon
« Reply #74 on: May 04, 2007, 10:59:58 pm »
Heh, if your foolish enough to charge with a dagger you deserve death.

my point was that most battle lines are not so basic as

"I r a person i r going to attack you!"

"I r too a person and i will attack you back!"

alot of fights (more ones i'd personally start) would be things like ambush attacks and such... things where a small blade proves a much swifter killing tool :)

Obviously this is hard to put into a game like planeshift so... they took the lazy way and made them equal...  :P

anyways we have far digressed from the point.



Make me a weapon like that picture... actuall changing the stick bit for a blade could be cool too....

I should learn 3d stuff >.>