New Weapon

[zanzibar]

Iago seemed to do pretty well with daggers.

[Illyria]

Ehh A dagger in ya stomach is kinda as deathly as a sword...
And Daggers&knives is ANOTHER skill, so they don't fight the same as swords, and a smart dagger users has a lot of agility  You know Like instead of thinking you can hold the sowrd of the opponent, just duck or move a bit
One short at the swords holders arm and ouchy he let's go (cause a sword is more heavier and with a few finger less it become very heavy quickly)
I've never seen a fully armored knight fighting with a dagger (except in Oblivion ).

Also consider that if A swords misses, it takes longer to swing/stab again, dagger mover quicker...
But what are you saying? We should have this new blade and neither dagger and knivers Cause you can't understand they can kiil someone with a sword?

 

[Earl_Listbard]

No, im just terribly off topic because what zanz said got me started on my rant on how daggers are superior in ps but really shouldent be in attack power, or in range, and that dagger users should have to be practically touching their target to attack (Like 1 to 2 or 3 feet away at the most) while longswords and claymores should be able to hit from a much farther distance.


Back on topic:

The blade looks cool, karyuu already said they will modify it as nessasary, and it will probaly be a melee weapon. Great, joy, warm and toasties all around...





And, I still hate daggers...

[Araye]

fair enough...


Allow me to make this simple then.


Soldier 1                                   Soldier 2
o|--                                               -----|o

(armed with a dagger {|--})          (armed with a basic steel sword {-----|})


if they both charge each other, and engage in combat, who will be able to hit first, baised on having the longer weapon and thus not having to be as close to the enemy to attack?

Thus, who is more likely to make a sucessful hit?


And, considering the length of the actual blade, and the depth of the penitration baised on the entire size of the blade whos more likely to do more damage with their blade?


Now let us consider, the fact that in ps (and this really PMO alot here) that daggers hit at the same range as a-... well thats a different rant.... Point is in no way does a dagger, due to its range, have a chance against a sword, due to its range.... unless there is a signifficant skill differeance. AND theoretically speaking no dagger should be able to hit for a damage number above 80, unless critical, due to the length of the blade itself only being able to reach so far into the flesh and thats if its a stab which is easily dodgeable, most attacks are a slash which only cuts, and due to the daggers size we're not talking that big of a cut. (just look at the size of our daggers, they're like toothpicks.)

*EL rests his case*

I don't know why I'm letting myself be dragged into this....

Yes a sword has an advantage over a dagger, but that doesn't mean sword boy wins.  There are too many variables (like type of armor the fighters are wearing, etc.) to make a cut 'n dry "sword wins" assumption.  The same is to be said for claws.  Let's see...  you are in full plate and horseback riding along a path in the Indian jungle region.  Suddenly a tiger pounces on you.  You and your horse are probably din'din for good ol' mista tiger.  Hell, I wouldn't want to go up against a tiger in one on one combat.  And plate just isn't my first choice for being lightweight and mobile.  It's more like lumbering around in a pipe only not as much protection.  A skilled dagger user, could very quickly dispatch a sword weilder.  There are lots of places that a daggers blade will fit through very readily.  And one thing you forget, a dagger can be thrown...

Soldier 1                                   Soldier 2
        ................................o|--   -----|o

(armed with a dagger {|--})          (armed with a basic steel sword {-----|})

...greatly increasing it's range.

Skill, speed, and agility are usually the definition of "the winner".

Don't get me wrong, I prefer the sword and would only use a dagger in "emergencies"; but to argue "mine's bigger, I win" is over simplification of the situation.

[Earl_Listbard]

Touche...


But like I (think) I pointed out earlier, dagger only wins if it has the upper hand in skill or ambush, but when the tables are turnned, so does the sword. I would also like to point out, yes daggers can be thrown, but are also, not a gaurentueed hit, ecspecially at a longer distance. And thats if you're an expert, most dagger fighters can't throw a blade with 70% accuracy over a length of 5 yards.

[Raleigh]

I don't know why I'm letting myself be dragged into this....

  And one thing you forget, a dagger can be thrown...

Soldier 1                                   Soldier 2
        ................................o|--   -----|o

(armed with a dagger {|--})          (armed with a basic steel sword {-----|})

...greatly increasing it's range.

Skill, speed, and agility are usually the definition of "the winner".

Don't get me wrong, I prefer the sword and would only use a dagger in "emergencies"; but to argue "mine's bigger, I win" is over simplification of the situation.

Daggers can beat even submachineguns and pistols  ... if you have a really tough Kevlar suit and superhuman resistance... or if "you are an idea", as "ideas are bulletproof"(Also an example of what a master in daggers would be able to do):

Minor Spoiler Example on a V scene (Minor spoiler because the said movie isn't focused on action and the scene isn't so great)

Of course, in normal situations involving two equally skilled fighters this won't usually happen. Except if:

Rogue A                             Soldier B

             o|--             o|------

                           *sneaks on Soldier B and backstabs the same.

[zanzibar]

In close quarters, knives are more dangerous than guns.  Gun tend to miss their target, and knives are much quicker on the draw.

[Piemont]

here is my new model:

http://www.badongo.com/de/pic/622539

salute

Piemont

[Karyuu]

Looks like something you would wear across your knuckles now Especially if you widen the opening for the hand. I would also suggest to decrease the thickness of the blades themselves, since they look too blunt to do much slashing damage. You can collapse the polys to a single point.

[miadon]

At least I'm not the only one who thought they looked blunt. \o/

[Araye]

Just a suggestion, since it is one-handed now, perhaps a "crescent moon" shape would be more appropriate?

[Piemont]

here it is:

http://www.badongo.com/de/pic/622798

[seperot]

it's....


well to be honest its a bit plain and dull :/

you should style it more it be cool... like bend the outside bits so they curve more... plus that will give it more of a defence as well as adding coolness..

[Draklar]

It looks somewhat more sensible than the original concept, but it's still too "all around" to stand against functionality of simpler weapons.

Now, going back to the claw discussion, this is what (more or less) I had on mind:

The above is called Shuko. In my idea it was supposed to be like that, only with two claws (though three is as good if not better) and additionally it was meant to have addition of vambrace, such as this one:

that would extend onto back of the hand for better holding. Though again, probably it could do without it.
And as many people said, yes - obviously it would be melee.

[Nurahk]

Keep experimenting with it, Piemont.

I've never liked claw weapons to be honest, always worried about my fingers getting cut off.  All the same, I'm pretty sure most people would love to see them ingame.