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cyber

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The TRUE IC
« on: May 06, 2007, 08:32:32 pm »
Now we all know the "Remember to be IC"

Well that is all fine and dandy I have nothing agains Role-Playing however there are a LARGE majority of RP Nazis that actually detract from the game more then the occasional "Ima brb im hungry" by not saying "[Ima brb im hungry]". Now common ppl give me a break. I spend a decent amount of time in this game and generally im a bag guy, member of The Outlaws and such ect. It ALL fits my character, im not generally mean however there is the occasional time when someone has pissed me off that I am. (which is completely IC or do medieval ppl not get mad?)

Now I ask myself the question how can a person be a bad guy in a game where if you are you are considered OOC and burned at the stake? There is a reason that I spend a lot of time NOT talking to anyone except in guild chat, and in fact i generaly ignore general chat altogether because im not about ready to say "Oh fair maiden how goes thee fair day" no im a gruff nasty old dwarf I say "hello" now while "hello" is not generally considered an OOC thing to say the following "What you up to?" has had me flogged, beat'n, entrails spilled, and generally nasty things done to me for that.

Now people ask yourself sitting there at your computer what is this, a game?

Yes there is nothing wrong with IC and Role-Play and someone saying "Dude i got so wasted at school today" will even set me on them because that is a DEFINATE OOC comment however in the event that an comment can even possibly be IC don't maim them with "Remember the Role-Play"'s

Now I am sure I will be burned at the stake for this post however this IS a problem and no-one seems to care.

Just remember that Role-Play does not mean "Role play a good guy" it means be "In-Character" and evil people should not be prosicuted in a GAME for being a bad person, because in real-life there are bad people as well.

I conclude if you want a "Role-Play a good guy" game go look at Pacifistshift and leave us alone at Planeshift.

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Re: The TRUE IC
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2007, 08:51:29 pm »
Now we all know the "Remember to be IC"

Well that is all fine and dandy I have nothing agains Role-Playing however there are a LARGE majority of RP Nazis that actually detract from the game more then the occasional "Ima brb im hungry" by not saying "[Ima brb im hungry]". Now common ppl give me a break. I spend a decent amount of time in this game and generally im a bag guy, member of The Outlaws and such ect. It ALL fits my character, im not generally mean however there is the occasional time when someone has pissed me off that I am. (which is completely IC or do medieval ppl not get mad?)

Now I ask myself the question how can a person be a bad guy in a game where if you are you are considered OOC and burned at the stake? There is a reason that I spend a lot of time NOT talking to anyone except in guild chat, and in fact i generaly ignore general chat altogether because im not about ready to say "Oh fair maiden how goes thee fair day" no im a gruff nasty old dwarf I say "hello" now while "hello" is not generally considered an OOC thing to say the following "What you up to?" has had me flogged, beat'n, entrails spilled, and generally nasty things done to me for that.

Now people ask yourself sitting there at your computer what is this, a game?

Yes there is nothing wrong with IC and Role-Play and someone saying "Dude i got so wasted at school today" will even set me on them because that is a DEFINATE OOC comment however in the event that an comment can even possibly be IC don't maim them with "Remember the Role-Play"'s

Now I am sure I will be burned at the stake for this post however this IS a problem and no-one seems to care.

Just remember that Role-Play does not mean "Role play a good guy" it means be "In-Character" and evil people should not be prosicuted in a GAME for being a bad person, because in real-life there are bad people as well.

I conclude if you want a "Role-Play a good guy" game go look at Pacifistshift and leave us alone at Planeshift.
:whistling: Ehmm, I kinda alrady knew that a loooooooooong time  ;D

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Re: The TRUE IC
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2007, 08:54:34 pm »
some people do and some dont but no-one does anything about it

I have never heard someone say "actually (insert name) that was IC"

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Re: The TRUE IC
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2007, 08:55:25 pm »
some people do and some dont but no-one does anything about it

I have never heard someone say "actually (insert name) that was IC"
??? How do you mean?

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Re: The TRUE IC
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2007, 09:01:12 pm »
When was the last time someone got reprimanded for saying "be in character"?

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Re: The TRUE IC
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2007, 09:05:26 pm »
When was the last time someone got reprimanded for saying "be in character"?
I never say that, although I usually say something like  {please use ][ for ooc talk]

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Re: The TRUE IC
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2007, 09:26:49 pm »
That is fine but think about hearing that 500000 times a day it really bugs after awile

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Re: The TRUE IC
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2007, 10:30:06 pm »
Just remember that Role-Play does not mean "Role play a good guy" it means be "In-Character" and evil people should not be prosicuted in a GAME for being a bad person, because in real-life there are bad people as well.
I feel I should start my post from a completely diferent matter, but you'll have to pardon me on this one, seeing as this is just too hard to resist:
Yes! In real life there are bad people as well. And in similar manner as well are they prosecuted for being "evil". More or less that's why you have jails. You're actually making arguments against yourself. What happens when someone sticks out of what would be perceived as "average" member of a society? He would have fingers pointed at him. If he speaks differently than others, this is what will happen. If you decide to use modern language, additionally with no respect for actual grammar ("What are you up to", not "What you up to"), this is what is going to happen.
Now going to what I should start with: Your post makes absolutely no sense. You go on about how people pick on you for speaking in one way and not another, and then you switch to something about "evil" characters. Is that supposed to make any sense? Is evil character by definition one that speaks in weird dialect? I really don't see why culprit cannot speak in any way other people would. Rogue can be well mannered just as well as he can have tongue of a blacksmith or brain of a common peasant. Alignment has nothing to say here. You can role-play ill-bred character that doesn't do well with other people, but you don't indicate the above with "What you up to?"

I won't say you have no right to complain. Sure, pointing fingers at your role-play may be too harsh. However, only to some point. You should look after how your character speaks so that you don't annoy other people. Try to stay away from slangy'ish language (not only obvious like 'yo'). If you want to give some character to your speech, actually work on it. Good intentions alone won't cover all that is needed to be done in that direction. You can actually butch the grammar there if you want (just avoid sounding awkward), so long as you don't try to sound modern.
For example you can replace "What are you doing?" with "What do they?" and no one should complain. Though if you decide to do it, better make people familiar with your speech all the way. If you'll just switch between normal and self-generated, you may confuse others.

Now what I have to say is, my Planeshift career didn't actually "evolve" during CB. It did during early MB, where it was completely okay to use modern speech. But even so, it does sound pretty dull when you hang around people that at least use normal English, and suddenly you see someone who obviously doesn't care. That's how I see it when playing Planeshift today. Also, that's how the community is. People are much more familiar to usage of normal and varieties of non-modern language so you'll seem awfully out of place if you do otherwise. At least try to avoid it.

P.S. "How be ye!" sounds oh so much more dwarfish than "hello" :P
« Last Edit: May 06, 2007, 10:34:26 pm by Draklar »
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Re: The TRUE IC
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2007, 11:09:10 pm »
I have to take issue with you somewhat Draklar, for one thing if you want to go into archaic speech patterns you pretty much have to throw out any attempt at goog grammar and pronunciation as the vast majority of the people at the time were illiterate and only knew what was spoken in their hamlet and possibly the next or if they were extremely lucky the market town twenty miles away.

Implied verbs and other words left unexpressed is not a modern invention. Certainly modern street talk is inappropriate but none of it came from nothing and a lot of it has ancient antecedents.

What the heck is "What do they?" supposed to mean? What'cha doin wit that? Not everyone has to sound like they just stepped out of "Wuthering Heights." Some people want to play the cultured elite that is fine they should be outnumbered by the uncultured and if they want to complain about it they should do it in character and that is all. Now talking about things genuinely out of the game context is a different matter apart from "dialect" or the "vernacular."

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Re: The TRUE IC
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2007, 11:11:09 pm »
well Draklar I will agree that he left put a space.i know "cyber"  and he told me what he meant.people say hes "ooc" when he kills /annoys them. that is the space he left out. that is also what he means by people calling him ooc when hes actaully not and about being a bad guy.so im with "cyber" on this one.dont start all this bs about some one being "ooc" when they are actually "ic". :thumbup: nice post cyber.(im not gonna put up ur game name w/o ur permission).and by the way, im a fellow outlaw guild member.and by the way all u annoying people obsessed w/ everyone "roleplaying" how are you so sure ppl even talked like that? so burn me at the stake along with "cyber"
« Last Edit: May 06, 2007, 11:14:55 pm by Eldyen »

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Re: The TRUE IC
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2007, 11:28:58 pm »
As for the expectations of Draklar and others... I understand where you're coming from, but I think people can be a bit harsh too.

I think considering the scope of this game's audience (geographically speaking)... if someone can construct sentences in English that are perfectly legible as English (and without modern slang) ... they should be cut a little slack if they're not using "thou" or "ye" instead of "you", etc. -- Sure encouragement is good... but typically, those that encourage (rather than set out to cut people down in public) are rare.

I've seen many experienced players using modern English for a long time... so I suspect the link that Cyber is inferring, is that he, as a "baddie", is more likely to get people being nitpicky about his use of language than "goodies".

Naturally, players are much more likely to look for something to be critical of if your character is in conflict with their character, that's just something you have to deal with when playing a "baddie".

I've seen it happen enough times to know there is a pattern... but, there's only one thing you can do about it...

Try to make your roleplay (especially conflicts) as true to the settings as possible, near to flawless if you can.

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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2007, 11:53:09 pm »
yeah but how the heck do u know that that was how they spoke back then? you sure as heck didnt live in the medieval times.

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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2007, 12:14:23 am »
I have nothing against people Picking on me in fact i invite it for anyone who knows me, NO what I am against is the "Be in character" crud that people throw at me, you wanna call me a flea bitten dragon sucking war monger then so be it... hey thats pretty good thats going in my description...

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« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2007, 12:28:08 am »
Well, to clarify... I guess you mean... when they throw that crud at you even when you are IC?

(Also, on a side note... I think Dragons have been mentioned before... and are apparently against the settings, so maybe avoid that bit!)
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« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2007, 01:03:18 am »
dragons are mabe not real but could a medieval person believe that they exist or at least use them in an insult? ;P

And yes i don't mind crud thrown at me just don't the "be in character crud" when you don't know what you are talking about