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Re: The TRUE IC
« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2007, 01:10:50 am »
@bilbous: I'm not trying to be historically correct here. And nor are you in saying what you just said. Back then People used something called "Old English", which quite frankly won't be understood by vast majority of modern (also native) English speakers. So being historically correct means being misunderstood by most (if not all) Planeshift players. That's one.

Second: If you want to compare Earth's medieval society with Yliakum's one.
- In Yliakum you don't get burnt or drowned for using magic.
- In Yliakum most characters know how to write and read. At what level, that's unknown. None the less they can.
- In Yliakum most characters are much wealthier.

There are peasants, sure. But people don't role-play them. If they role-played peasants, they'd have to stay away from the main cities, which are inhabitted in big portion by rich and educated. In other words, Planeshift for the time being doesn't support role-playing peasants (and it's hard to imagine large portion of Planeshifters role-playing them should this be any different).
Now from that point: "normal" English is what most people should use. Not any peasant talk. Why? Because most dwell in cities and as such most should have in common certain way of talking. Then there come certain differences. Enkidukais may use "rr" instead of "r" (basing this on the wiki assumption that there's no "r" consonant in Enkien) and seeing as Enkien is simpler than English, they might simplify the grammar as well. People playing dwarves may stereotypically try to sound somewhat Scotish (so no "What'cha doin wit that?"). Now elves may throw in some thou's and thine's and try to sound more poetic, mostly if their characters are bards.
Personally, my character is an Enkidukai who has been raised on courts among Ylians. Nowadays he's mostly interested in art and politics. Because of this I take the usual "normal" English (to be more Ylian alike) and then try to give my sentences some poetic feeling and throw in a kenning here or there (for artistic touch), additionally trying to use sophisticated language (for courtly and political touch).

Planeshift isn't a complete reconstruction of medieval world. We don't aim here to be historically correct. We won't start using Old English and additionally butch it to sound more peasant-like. But some players will give their characters dialects that will make them sound like blacksmith, noble, village boy or bard. Not to be historically correct, but to provide themselves and other players with a nice gaming atmosphere that will give them a fantasy feeling. Some people around here know me as a realism freak, but here I hold back. The way archaic dialects are used right now, works just fine. So I don't see a reason why anyone would expect it be done otherwise.
So to conclude: No, I'm not talking about how people should speak from historical point of view. I'm simply aiming at people getting better gaming atmosphere. You don't need to sound archaic, I don't really expect that from most people. But if you use modern English, at least try to use proper grammar and avoid using modern slang.

Given the new information on this matter, I cannot really say whether the complaint is justified. I didn't see how the role-play of bad character was pulled off, nor do I see proof of any ill-treatment in this thread. But if you decide to play a culprit, it should be on the list of your priorities to make sure no one gets upset with your role-play. If someone does, go into private discussion with them explaining that it's just role-play and ask what turned them off, in hope that you can fix it and avoid the situation repeating itself in the future. And by all means, do watch out with your language in such situations. Playing a negative character and using annoying slang will upset people. That is to be expected.
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Re: The TRUE IC
« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2007, 01:38:21 am »
Elves in PS are either tree-huggers or fish-brains so I'm not sure why they'd be poetic in speach more than other races.
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Re: The TRUE IC
« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2007, 02:51:34 am »
Hey zanibar thats going overboard! elves are a race of high-class members not "fish-brains" and "tree-huggers"!so watch it pal! >:(

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Re: The TRUE IC
« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2007, 03:19:18 am »
Hey zanibar thats going overboard! elves are a race of high-class members not "fish-brains" and "tree-huggers"!so watch it pal! >:(

All I'm saying is that Demorians are forest people while Nolthirs are aquadic.
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« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2007, 02:21:45 pm »
Now I dont use slang in game and would have no problem with people getting mad at me if I was, No my complaint is that people generally are more likely to assume that you are being OOC then that you are in-character and that you are not a good guy.

A prime example I have of this is one time I was asked to eliminate someone.

So I goto the person and tell them "I am here to kill you and have been sent by powers you cannot comprehend" Now this proceeded to have the person say "Whats up with this crazy dwarf... leave me alone or im going to ignore you be IC geeze..."

You tell me who was Ic or OOC  ???

But nonetheless my point is that there should be some sort of way for people to stop these people who would rather just cay you are OOC and call you a noob then even try to fathom that you are IC and you just are not the same IC as they are.

I have seen this happen to not only bad characters but also good characters, however it is more a problem for bad characters.


My proposition is that there should be a rule of some sort against over-excessive "Your OOC" calling just like how there is a rule against being OOC



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If someone does, go into private discussion with them explaining that it's just role-play and ask what turned them off, in hope that you can fix it and avoid the situation repeating itself in the future.
Are you saying that I should have to make a point and spend 10-15 minutes or more of my time to make MY character more fit THEIR description of what OOC and IC is?
« Last Edit: May 07, 2007, 02:24:10 pm by cyber »

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Re: The TRUE IC
« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2007, 03:10:34 pm »
Elves in PS are either tree-huggers or fish-brains so I'm not sure why they'd be poetic in speach more than other races.
This is the one of the reasons why i like PS. In other games elves are like lovely, poetic, peacefull, almost perfect race (It makes me want to vomit sometimes) and it sucks as much as vacuum cleaner. Finally some game where elves are on the same level as other races. Even IRL there are many humans who are poetic in speech. You should be able to roleplay your charakter in a way you want to.

IMHO: The OOC chat tab won't be useless and i dont think it will be difficult to make (sth like Auction tab) And roleplayers should be able to swith the tab off.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2007, 03:14:00 pm by Ice_Stovo »
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Re: The TRUE IC
« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2007, 03:31:07 pm »
From the initial post I was unsure as to what you were complaining about as I for one have rarely seen thee's and thou's or overtly flowery language used in the 2+ years I've been in PS.

A prime example I have of this is one time I was asked to eliminate someone.
So I goto the person and tell them "I am here to kill you and have been sent by powers you cannot comprehend" Now this proceeded to have the person say "Whats up with this crazy dwarf... leave me alone or im going to ignore you be IC geeze..."

However I see a couple of things wrong with this statement, if as a truly evil person would you walk up and say "I'm going to kill you" surely you'd be way more likely to backstab or attack without warning, secondly how do you know the person cannot comprehend? tell a char what his abilities is akin to godmodding and I'd be inclined to ignore you too and do you expect them to just stand and be killed because it fits your rp?

If you truly are hassled by suggestions of OOCness do a /report and make a petition GM's will investigate all suggestions of harassment
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Re: The TRUE IC
« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2007, 05:56:52 pm »
SAYING that he can't comprehend is not gomodding. /me notices soandso can't comprehend, would be. If they talk about IC without [] it is OOC. But other than that you both could have been IC but you were just going about killing him very badly. Notice where the villians in James Bond go wrong? "I'm going to kill you now." It doesnt work.
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« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2007, 07:58:36 pm »
@Zanzi: Do you perchance use your own artwork for elf characters? If so, can you share? :P
Because whenever I see an elf ingame, his clothing simply screams with "Hi, I'm a pansy bard". When I try to evaluate culture of a race, I usually look at its setting, appearance and architecture. Considering Dermorian clothing is much more fancy than Ylian one, I assume their language must be as well. I simply try to figure out what their sense of aesthetics could be. So far it seems to me for them it's form over functionality.

@cyber: I'll start with refering to your closing statement.
You know, I probably joined Planeshift earlier than most (if not all) players you met in-game. What is a fact, at the time when I joined the state of community was completely different. Everyone at that time behaved completely different than people do today. Now if I behaved the way everyone did back then, today people would keep scolding me for out of character behaviour. As such, instead I simply followed the evolution of the community. I don't go around saying how I have the right to play however I want, because I've been doing it before all those people came to Planeshift. No, instead I play by the rules the community dictates, just so that both me and other players may find some pleasurable role-play in the encounters. Planeshift isn't a single player game. When you log in, you connect to a well-developed community. You should take this into consideration, open your mind to what is expected from the players who join it and strive to follow those expectations.
Right now it's obvious you don't care. You don't want to change your role-play despite that you don't actually know what other people may wish to see done differently. Perchance if you did listen, both your experience and that of others would improve drastically. But quite frankly, if you're not going to even give it a try, you will never know. I did play an evil character in the past and I never had any people whining about my actions. Possibly it had something to do with my being member of the most respected evil guild at that time, where cliched evil behaviour was simply out of question.
Now on to your example:
"I am here to kill you and have been sent by powers you cannot comprehend"
Please don't get offended, but the way I see it the above could come either from someone who has some serious role-playing problems, or someone who does in fact only try to annoy people (and I don't mean it in character).
The first part is somewhat amusing, as I don't understand why would anyone say that anyway (lanser covered that part already).
Second part is much more... awkward.
"have been sent by powers you cannot comprehend"
Okay, maybe I won't be able to understand it as well, but could you please try to explain in here what "powers" actually sent your character?
The above may indicate you:
a) Have very little understanding of your character's background yourself.
b) Act against your character when you actually bring up powers that most likely cannot exist.
c) Are just trying to annoy people. If they won't understand it, why talk about it?

Personally I would just respond with
* Draklar arches an eyebrow. "And you are..?"
If you want to provoke fear, that most certainly isn't the way to do it.
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Re: The TRUE IC
« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2007, 08:16:09 pm »
A few tips for playing an 'evil' character, that goes round killing people. People dont like having others walk up to their character and try and kill them, simple as that, it might happen in real life but as long as we dont have open PvP its just not going to work. Let them get confortable with your RP beforehand. The best meathod I found for asassination in planeshift was the following... Make friends with them, get buddy with them, if they ask you anything OOC dont lie, but IC be as bastard as you like when it comes to backstabbing. Tell them as they seem like a nice person you have a business propostion for them but you dont want others to hear about it so would they mind if they will come into a secluded back alley. Tell them to stand facing the wall so you can show them something. Then you grab them from behind, spout all the crappy cliches you like but remember, half the game is beating them ooc at this point and as bad roleplay as it is they will be /telling every powerleveled shmock they know. By now they wont mind so much being killed by you if your lucky because they have been truley beaten rather than you just turning up with higher stats than them.
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« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2007, 08:32:43 pm »
@Zanzi: Do you perchance use your own artwork for elf characters? If so, can you share? :P
Because whenever I see an elf ingame, his clothing simply screams with "Hi, I'm a pansy bard". When I try to evaluate culture of a race, I usually look at its setting, appearance and architecture. Considering Dermorian clothing is much more fancy than Ylian one, I assume their language must be as well. I simply try to figure out what their sense of aesthetics could be. So far it seems to me for them it's form over functionality.

Perhaps, but not necessarily.  Still, Dermorians aren't the only elves in game.
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« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2007, 08:39:17 pm »
I'd say the Dermorians were the closest to the elves we all know and hate. Beautiful creatures that love fruit and what have you. They have hte dire disadvantage when it comes to religeon though and their past isnt to nice with lava lakes and all. Spanish word for devil and they come straight from hell... but no they aren't devils you all yell.
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Re: The TRUE IC
« Reply #27 on: May 08, 2007, 01:35:23 am »
I think you're confusing Dermorians with the Diaboli.
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« Reply #28 on: May 08, 2007, 05:01:53 pm »
Correct you are. Starts with a D  :sweatdrop:
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Re: The TRUE IC
« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2007, 02:25:27 am »
Not everyone hates Elves.I think Elves are beast.They can beat the crap out of any race