Make it possible to train with other players again.

[zanzibar]

At one point, people were quickly levelling up their characters by dueling with other players.  One person would set their stance to full defensive so that one player would level up light armor while the other would level up weapons.  The devs wanted to stop this.  Now, you do not get experience when dueling.

My wish is for this action to be reversed.  Here's why:

1.  It would encourage cooperation between players.
2.  People have found ways to quickly level their characters anyway.

To level up light armor, you just need to find a bunch of weak creatures, get them all to attack you, and then turn your back to them.  To quickly level up weapons, you just use ruined weapons or weapons in poor condition.

So to summarize:  If the fix is reversed, the only thing that will change is that players will have more motivation to cooperate with one another.

[Under the moon]

* Under the moon saves his intelligent words.

A great idea. It just might make dueling more fun and prominent.

[stfrn]

Or... you can only learn one level of one skill with any given player, to prevent power leveling. Thusly encouraging you to meet new people to train with.

[zanzibar]

Or... you can only learn one level of one skill with any given player, to prevent power leveling. Thusly encouraging you to meet new people to train with.

I'm not sure it justifies the violation of realism.  Once you advance a level, you have to find a trainer then come back.  Your partner might not be there when you get back and so you'll find someone else.  Also, there's the chance that people would just get annoyed by it and practice on mobs instead.  Also, if you have different people on your list to train with, you'll just cycle through them and not bother with anyone new.  So I don't think what you're suggesting would accomplish what you want it to.  Plus it sounds like it would be very tricky to code...

[Garile]

If someone uses a whole list of people to train with wouldn't that be exactly what he wanted? I mean at the moment noone is doing it so noone has such a list. The fact that at one point you would have several sparring partners you enjoy sparring with and stay within that group isn't a bad thing if the idea is that people actually form those groups to cooperate and have interaction between people.

However if this kind of idea gives the kind of interaction that would be benificial to the game I wonder. It's a step to getting people to play in groups instead of solo though I suppose.

[zanzibar]

It's something to be thought about in the future.  Before that though, the devs have to decide whether or not they want to allow such training to happen at all.

[stfrn]

Ah, but before the devs will make something happen at all, they have to think of how it will happen in exact detail. Deciding to impliment a feature or not is based on how it will effect the rest of the game.

[zanzibar]

Ah, but before the devs will make something happen at all, they have to think of how it will happen in exact detail. Deciding to impliment a feature or not is based on how it will effect the rest of the game.

This is not implimenting a feature.  This is a reversion.  This is the removal of an antiquidated fix.

[Farren Kutter]

To make it 'fair', perhaps they cannot train past the other person's skill level with the weapon/etc...

[zanzibar]

To make it 'fair', perhaps they cannot train past the other person's skill level with the weapon/etc...

How could it be unfair?  Further, if all I'm doing is taking shots at you while you stand there and block, you better be good at blocking or the session won't last very long. 

Seriously folks, it seems like you're after an unnecessary and impractical level of complexity given what this thread is supposed to be about.  You want to make changes to aspects of the game in a big way - in ways that have overarching consequences for many different things and not just the suggestion I've made in this thread.  All these things you're asking for should be put in new threads, not this one.

[stfrn]

Maybe you are the one who posted in the wrong place  The wishlist is more for long term changes then for quick fixes or revisions or what have you.

[John80sk]

I actually like the idea, just for the sake of realism.  It's probably actually more effective to train vs. NPC's as they spawn at your feet and many of them have higher hp and do less damage than players do, but it would be nice to gain something other than dp when dueling, heh.

[Feline Prince]

I could see this working IF we have non-leathal dualing, because you not trying to kill your sparing partner and also not being able to have the hole in your stomach healed by eating 50 breads. Otherwise it would just be abused, if the idea just goes ahead without other changes its just like saying, people abuse the game this way which we dont like so we'd rather they'd abuse it this way when the abuse could be much lessened with other ideas.
non-leathal dualing

[mufler]

perhaps have some training dummys insted? like a little barracks with some stuffed scer crows..?

[Zan]

I concur!

Training with others adds to the RP possibilities, especially those of warrior guilds who wish to spar and train together. Though I would personally create a new command for it: /train ... instead of /duel. The training command yields less damage, with both spells and combat, and automatically ends before either side dies.

*notes that such a change is an addition to the original topic and thus in place here. Creating a new topic for this would in fact be more wrong.*