Review of Planeshift - list of complaints

[ThomPhoenix]

Emotional maturity doesn't have much to do with knowledge or ability
Anyway, I wasn't saying all 12 year olds are emotionally immature. I was fighting that statement, although I could've used a better example.

[zanzibar]

Emotional maturity doesn't have much to do with knowledge or ability
Anyway, I wasn't saying all 12 year olds are emotionally immature. I was fighting that statement, although I could've used a better example.

I didn't mean only emotional maturity, but emotional maturity is key to being a good GM imo.  If you freak out if someone challenges your authority, if you lack the humility to hear with an open mind someone telling you you've made a mistake, and if you're so insecure that you can't admit when you're wrong, then that's a problem.  Emotionally mature individuals are also less likely to act on personal bias or prejudice.  And face it, GMs are community leaders.  To be an effective leader, you need to be a people person.

[Gwinn Ravenn]

I agree there are many aspects of the game that make it fustrating and sometimes nearly impossable to play. The one wonderful thing is the people who play. though latly many have moved on, being motivated by the need to relax and not be fustrated by malfunctioning game machinics. That is  a shame. The Player RP is usually above par. The players really take Rp seriously and invest large amounts of time developing their characters. This is the one part of the game I miss, the interaction with the other players and the imersion in rp. I have not had much time to play as of late, RL stuff. anyway, in my opinion,  it is the Players that make PS a wonderful place online. Still, one can only take so much fustration. Many just pop in from time to time to see if tech. issues have been resolved enough to make playing functional. Perhapps when the Game is a more fine tuned project the old timers will return RPing in full force.

but for now;

Players Recognise all the hard work, devotion, and time the PS team puts into the game.

PS team recognise that the player RP is the treasure of PS

[Durwyn]

Hello.
I'm quite sad about what the topic is talking about :s sad because this game is cool, why cant people find a way to have their time use correctly in the game without thinking at problems that it has? 

Planeshift is a "pre-alpha playable demo," and this is a fitting description. Problems like I mentioned would be expected in a game in this stage, however almost all of these problems are in exactly the same stage as they were 18 months ago when I started playing. Back then it was pre-alpha, today it is a pre-alpha, and my guess is that next year it will still be a pre-alpha.

-Roahn

Personaly im playing since June 2006 (really began to play like a mad in July), it took me a while to understand where i was and where to go (thats why i help so much newcomers when i have time to). it took me a while to get good skills but now lets get into your say :

pre-alpha playable demo => do you need a game lot of graphic stuff to spend lot of time on it? when Proglin said to you

Go play World of Warcraft.

=> i played WoW but was disgusted, i had almost failed some examinations because i was playing it so much to "rentabilize" my money.
To resume this idea, all depends on what the player is looking for 1) : if it's for a community ( which is for the most part nice and if not that's because they are always roleplaying their character which is a great idea, (though im not sure i can rp as them, even if i would have a better english to do it.) players ingame, on IRC, on this forum! OR 2) if it's to have a game like WoW with of course splendid graphics but lame mentality i'm not sure you will choose WoW, well the choice is reserved to you.

some points are true in what you said =>1) Planeshift needs improvement, it's a fact. 2) some GMs needs to do the difference between a localization bug as stuck in a hill and a "cheat" by trying to get teleported into a place without telling our TRUE localization in the world. (well in most cases, the GMs check your localization)

Third point => 3) the world is small according to you? well you must not have run that lot to affirm this. i dont remember how many times i ran to Bronze Doors to finish some quests or simply get some training!


and now to concluse with my own opinion : PS is a great game, i would even tell a great-free-openminded-game. The game is enjoyable  and even if it has some lack in some domains, my question is = how can we leave it?  or at least why telling all the bad points and not being objectives in your say?

finally, as Karyuu said and many others Devs, moderators, whatever..

We know exactly what our shortcomings are, and several things are missing because we lack the manpower to do them. It's as simple as that.

So now stop be harrassing to their work and participate into it to get the game growing more and more to finally get a game which will be playable with all his skills, skins, and you guess the rest

Follow this  idea =>

Players Recognise all the hard work, devotion, and time the PS team puts into the game.

Durwyn, alias Dudu. Good luck!
                                                         
PS : i guess that the priority of the game-development won't change , right? just to be sure that you will not do an error ^^ a player complaint, even if the complaint is long and well built by thinking or so, must not interact with your plans for the future at least it's my opinion.


 

[Lebre]

I agree with Gwinn.. the best thing here in PS is the people RPing

I left PS because i think this project is working too slow (i know, i know, i read a lot of :They are working hard, and blabla..", but i just think its all coming slowly.. and i got frustrated with all this bugs and stucks that never gets fixed.. like being stucked in every place, corner, that i walk.. or spending more than 2 months trying to get the winch access (can't get yet -.- )... and sometimes i see new glyphs coming, but the "old" spells are not working fine yet.. or, items coming that gives +1 in some stats.. what's the difference getting +1 in a spell that u spend months to get +80 or so.. i just want to say that is better to think on the things that are implemented in game before add more things.. it makes the project going better..
I think its not so hard to make little updates, like bug fixes, every week.. i say this because i'm in other game now, and there updates are every week, and players feels motivate to keep there because every week one little little problem is fixed.

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other thing that is frustrating is because everything, any kind of help, is a spoiler.. then no one helps no one o.O
i said this more detailed, another day ago, in some topic.. but no one gave attention.. but remuming, thats it
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About the comment of Roahn, i think its not a destructive comment.. he is only telling the problems he see in game..
And i see the most replies here is "rejecting" his comment.. and i believe this is a wall to a progression on the game.. you all have to accept this errors and missed things that Roahn told and get motivated to fix it..
making a wall for it, these problems will be masked.. sorry, but i said it because i saw it happening many times here. ppl deffending devs and masking problems, making the progression more slower.

But good luck, i hope this project go ahead, because its the only 3d RP game where i saw RPlayers

Lebre

[Karyuu]

i just want to say that is better to think on the things that are implemented in game before add more things.. it makes the project going better..

Since some points here are things that I have seen repeated dozens of times, I will reply with the replies us developers have posted dozens of times as well. Please read carefully:

We have different people working on different things, and so new features still pop up when previous features (coded by someone else) need to be smoothed out. I've noticed that this is a fairly common comment, that new things are being created while the old need to be taken care of. The reason for this is a diverse team with many different talents - someone may be intimately familiar with NPCs, but have little information on how the quest system is coded.

Ultimately, fixing select bugs falls on those devs who know how to do it instead of our programmers as a whole. So it may be slow going, and I apologize for the delays you are experiencing.

other thing that is frustrating is because everything, any kind of help, is a spoiler.. then no one helps no one o.O

Many players would challenge this. Our community is one of the most helpful that I have encountered, and all information is free to flow in the game

And i see the most replies here is "rejecting" his comment.. and i believe this is a wall to a progression on the game.. you all have to accept this errors and missed things that Roahn told and get motivated to fix it..

We're very motivated, Lebre. But again I'm going to have to repeat myself:

Our team is small. Very small. It is tiny. We cannot create as much content as fast as we would like. If you can help out, then please fill out an application and become a prospect. If you cannot, then I am sorry that we aren't working fast enough for you, but we have zero choice. We dedicate all the time we have, and sometimes we have no more. We cannot change this. But you can, if you have the skills to aid us.

[Dahoma]

Anyways, I'd have to agree with Roahn for the most part. I mean some of the ratings are extremely underated where some are overated(even though the usual rating was a 1 or a 2). Also, the fact that your review was in reality simply a comparison instead of a review of much larger MMORPG's, which brought it down by quite a bit of notches on my ladder of...greatness(I have one of those?)

And Lebre is right in a way, but i've brought up this point before, I believe, or at least have come across it multiple times. The answer is that they wish that the game be finished before fixing the problems, why this is, I have NO clue. Do I think this is a good idea, no, but is this my project that i've worked however many years on?Also a big FAT no! So I have come to the conclusion that not caring anymore is the best answer and instead i've decided to just smell the roses.

So in the end I do not complain, instead I wait...ridiculously patiently, and the updates come... a little bit slowly, but taking into consideration the amount of spare time devoted makes up for it.

Actually i'm not quite sure if I should've even read this post, these subjects have been brought up SO many times and even the exact same things said that it's kind of ridiculous really. Take it or leave it, complain if you wish, but to your mothers. And in no way do I defend anybody, but merely point out the facts.

Actually i'm really impressed by Zanzibar, I really like all of his analogys and refrences I feel like i'm reading a modern day Socrates...well maybe not Socrates, but I could see you being a modern day philosopher of some sort. Heh...TOGA TOGA TOGA!

[Nurahk]

Wow...what is the use of this thread?

I was thinking of going on a long rant but...I've done that quite a few times.

I'll just state the main points:

The Devs are doing an amazing job, they've done more than anybody else has without being payed at all.
I don't see why you people see the need to point out the bad parts...it's as if somebody gave you a cake and you whine about there not being enough frosting.

I stopped playing with Nurahk because I was tired of being associated with this idiotic group of people who make up such a large part of the Player Base.

[lorac]

In my oppinion This is the Best game out there and the price is right
And for  It is an awsome bata Not even in alpha stages yet but ferther along than most alphas
Open your eyes See the Gift Talad and Devs And All of the PS staff has bestowed appon us
Alot of hours / days /weeks / months / even years go into this
Are they being paid? no
they are working on this to Give to all
Its not deserved or owed to us
With posts ranting about their blood sweat tears .......... their brain child
I am amaised they had not locked the doors on us
If you can make a difference Get involved Contact Developers Or the People who can get you in the right place
Its not about the Squeeky wheel getting the Grease here
Its about so much one team can do at a time
So many hands so many commands so much to do in little time to make it an easy transition to us to get back in game
I have seen Much Development in the last year (LETS HEAR IT FOR THE DEVS AND ALL THE OTHER PRODUCTION CREW OF PS)
this past year they have been working there Tails off and From what i can see they do not complain.
I hope this is not taken the wrong way guys
But We all are PS And those who Complain about growth or progression
Do you know what actually goes into designing a program
Honestly i am not well vursed in the mapping of the ps server
now the last what 3 or 4 updates have been magor
crafting.....less load on client and cleaner Gui.......exc...exc...exc
The Wench ............ a new place to explore
They are trying to keep the momentum going
Give these people a hand .......words of incuragment not I want this and i want it now or your program is not progressing the way i want it too
It it were to go as you would want it to then there would be no ingame
what is the fun in that
And the Small changes  these are great
We get to see the Evolution of PS
Think back about The Very first Plane Shift
now look at what we have
Amaising if you think about it
We are evolving and Talad did not build this wonderful place in one day

* lorac snickers "Atleast i dont think he did ..............Talad If you did oops sorry my bad"

ok ok i will end this  but comon dont knock the blessing we do have and lets let the Gods / Devs
know how much we Do appriceate there work and time and everything they put in to this
Thank you for listening to me
hopfully this is not out of context for this thread

[Jackdaw]

I get sick of the people who complain that this isn't a free version of WOW.

I have little time as it is to spend in PS, I don't know how the devs find the time to work on it. If someone is impatient with the progress they should find a way to help if they have the talent, leave, or give constructive criticism not just complaints. Seem to be too many people who "just know" the best way things should be done by someone else.

I'll just leave it that I think the devs are doing a great job.

[Vampire_Orchid]

I agree with JackDaw on this. I'm so tired of seeing the same complaints and remarks. If anything I think the Devs deserve our applause for their commitment. I don't know how they how they do it...but they do it well.

I think that if people want to point out some stuff that needs to be worked on, they should at least have some kind of background in what they are talking about. Also, if the ps bugs them that much and they do have the background, they could at least do the nice thing and send in a resume. 

That's all I have to say about that. 

Devs YOU guys rock!

[Karyuu]

* Karyuu is filled with warm fuzzies.

[Xillix Queen of Fools]

Roahn, I appreciate you taking the time to dengrate everything we do and point out the completely obvious. This utter waste if time reminds me of something . . .oh yeah! That's it! trying to please every PS player by spending more than 8 hrs a day working on a free game!

I am glad you could join us in producing something that many players vocally dislike.

Cheers and thanks for the encouragement folks, trolls will overtake the forums without players fighting them off with shortswords that all look the same!   

[Pale]

* Pale leaps in front of xillix with his dark daggers (which, gosh darn it, look just like, I don't know, a dagger!)

And I know that the original poster won't read this, but "rock people"? You've been around 18 months, and you don't Kran? I don't know why I'm bothering, but "Imagine, the elf-type, lizard-type, human-type and others all use the same model as the demon type race!" What the hell are you on about?

* Pale steps off his soapbox, and wanders off

[Suvok]

If you can help us, do it. The team application is a link in my signature.

In my opinion, people should not complain so publicly about the game if they cannot or don't want do the 'job' themselves.

I don't believe anyone has any right to complain in an unhelpful way unless they can actually do it better themselves, and are actually willing to do better themselves. If you don't like the game, leave quietly. Dont bother the devs with unhelpful criticisms that they've heard a hundred times before.

If you want to complain, do it in a constructive way. That post didn't help the devs in any way