Where are the GM events?

[cyber]

Where have the GM events gone to. Today me and my guild were sitting around talking, and we came to a few realizations, The first and most pressing is WHERE ARE THE GM EVENTS? we have many players who have been here for years and never seen one however there are some guilds that I look at and find that half there members have GM event items. I myself have played PS for about 6+ years and have yet to see an event, period. Now I have asked around to some of the senior players in the game and we have come to the conclusion that there needs to be something done about this. Now not all of us have been privied to never see a single GM event however it does seem a bit odd that certin guilds are so capable at finding these GM events and knowing to have 15 of the 20 people that enter be from there guild.

Now I am not saying that there are GM's that are playing favorites, I would never dream of such a thing. Also I would never think of accusing anyone of foul play. I know that EVERY GM is 100% trustworthy and would never dream of leaking to there guild mates that there is going to be a GM event at such and such time at so and so place. Just look all over the forums at the the bashing cretin GM's get, I am positive that all that aggression at them are completely un-called for. </sarcasm>

Also all the GM events are for the "High and Mighty Goody to-shoes", if you want a world with any sense of realism there there should be GM events that are tailored to not only the good of the world but the bad as well. Rescuing princesses and protecting traders are great and all but what about bounty hunting someone, Finding a glyph for a necromancer so he can kill someone, ect. ect.

Now there are some GM's that I have a great respect for and feel that they do a terrific job, however there needs to be better communication to ALL players about events so that it eliminates the possibility of a rouge GM playing favorites, even tho we all know that all those people in certain guilds just got lucky and they happened to get a total of approximately 15 or so sets of chain boots and gloves. 

Also there should be more events geared twords all types of players and not just the same goodie too shoes rescue the damsel in distress.

[Draklar]

Our dear mods are fighting with the defensive attitude in this section of forums, so please refrain from making sarcastic remarks that can induce such behaviour ;)

I would like to address your final remark first. I remember taking part in one of the first (or the first, cannot remember by now) events supported by the Game Masters that was additionally meant to test the event possibilities and it had nothing to do with rescuing anyone. I have not participated in any events lately so I have no idea whether your claims are justified, but none the less I think the events support various types of characters.
You could be right though, beats me.

This 6+ remark is irrelevant considering Game Master events were not introduced until after Crystal Blue has been released. The Game Master function appeared in late phase of Molecular Blue, but it was limited to such options as kick/ban. Back in Atomic Blue, Game Master function was completely non-existant.

Whether your Game Master accusation is justified I do not know as well. However, seeing as this is quite an important matter, you should better have solid proofs to support your statement.

P.S. You say you have been playing for 6+ years. Do I know you then?

[Proglin]

Hey there. I am GM Yill.

I hosted little over 20 events in the passed 3 months.

there are more event GM's.. they also hosted many.

We don't advertise events, not even to our guildmates, even though we like them better then we like you.

You miss them, and try and blame others. I would have to say that is not a very smart move my friend.

It all depends on being at the right place at the right time.

Now to make a closing statement. I for one decided to take on this job out of love for the community and out of love for Role-play. My personal wish was to spread RP over Yliakum and give everybody a chance to participate in Role-Play that was slightly different then what you are all used to, due to the useage of GM-commands. I have written quite a few events since I joined the team, and hosted a lot as well. If I take any pride in my work, I would make it a goal at itself to make sure I get as many people to join as possible. Now... The GM-team managed to gather enough effort, motivation and will to host an event that lasted for 3 whole weeks, with smaller events in between at least twice a week. At that time we had a grand total of 148 participants. You seem to have missed all of it, a same, cause I thought it was brilliant.

Partially... you're right. The only ones to blame for a shortage of GM-events are GM's themselves. I appolagise we do not work hard and fast enough to fulfil you in your needs.

Also. A trait of good RP is spontanious events. We are not going to announce to anyone (emphasis on the anyone) that there is going to be a GM-event. How could one predict a necromencer needs a princes turned into a frog for his personal pleasure and fettishes? Or that in a weeks time the possability arises that a lady decides to plant a mushroom garden? RP should be spontanious. GM-events aim for that. If not, we have to blend in the RP and make it a possability to pre-announce them. Think of tournaments and such.

So I hope to have informed you enough. I started out of love for the community. that means I love you too.

[bilbous]

It seems to me  that the GM events you have missed were typically lag filled affairs, no offense meant to the planners. Particularly laggy was the second(?) shield event with the mechanistic looking critters from another plane and the quest to kill the dark way mage. Lag is pretty much unavoidable without an extremely large pipe and much orocessing power. I would like to suggest that some time after event awards are given for the first time smaller, standard quests that could be done individually should be developed for people unable to attend major events to be able to acquire those items unavailable without GM intervention. It may mean more duties for GM's but it would ensure fairness.

[drah]

There definetely seems to be a heavy bias in terms of the alignment of potential candidates for the quests... as in, too many quests that are geared towards good players only.  Also the quests can be linear... go to a location, return with someone or something with predictably A GM in each location.  End of quest.

Also, there's not much in the way of pitching different player-chars up against each other in GM quests from what I've seen, maybe that'd make things more interesting too.

[Rayken]

Draklar is right.  The nature of the first post in this thread makes it difficult, if not impossible, to respond in a manner consistent with the desired tone of these boards.  Drah, however, raises a couple of good points.  Firstly, I did once run an event written for evil characters (to not take undeserved credit, I should state that I did not write said event).  It was extremely well written and a lot of fun, but I had trouble finding evil characters.  Most of the characters I encountered were good aligned.  Many of these opted out as their characters could not do what my character was asking, and rightly so.  I ended up with a group of characters ranging good to neutral.  They ultimately found a non-evil means to accomplish what my character asked.  This worked out fine, but the point is, events aren't usually written for evil characters because they can be so hard to find.

Second, I agree.  We do need some events that pit players against each other.  I haven't written any events yet, so I don't have a right to complain about this though   It is a good idea which will be taken into consideration.

Lastly, I do think one response to the initial post is needed:  I would never give my guild mates advanced notice of any events, and I fully trust my fellow GMs to take the same attitude, to the fullest extent to which it is possible to trust someone you know on the internet.  IE I cannot say that it is impossible, but I would be extremely surprised if I heard that someone was giving their own guild favor in this manner.

[cyber]

First I will address Draklar, The 6+ was just so ppl knew that I wasn't only a 1 week noob (no offense) also yes yo do know me I have changed chars about 4 times i think my first was named Botanic and was part of the Dragon Council (i think that was the name) then I played Tsukassa, had a name change to Veilious, ect. ect. I dunno if you remember me but ne ways i do know you and have played with you however I am on Mac OSX so i commonly am locked out of the game for periods of time, and also i get busy, my current char is called Derableska.

Also all I can come across is circumstantial evidence because I cant get chat logs of other players ect. Just it seems a bit odd when half a guild all has GM event only items...



To Proglin:

I hosted little over 20 events in the passed 3 months.

Ok i never said there were none

We don't advertise events, not even to our guildmates, even though we like them better then we like you.

That is one thing that i am wondering about because of the seemingly favoritism that some guilds/people get. Im not saying you do in fact I have nothing against you nor any GM who does that what I am saying is that there seems to be a problem and before it is a bigger problem fix it.

You miss them, and try and blame others. I would have to say that is not a very smart move my friend.

It all depends on being at the right place at the right time.

Neh i missed em that is not my point

Partially... you're right. The only ones to blame for a shortage of GM-events are GM's themselves. I appolagise we do not work hard and fast enough to fulfil you in your needs.

I disagree if events are common or not i dont care I am asking for equal opportunity not more oppertunity


this is all I ask

Also. A trait of good RP is spontanious events. We are not going to announce to anyone (emphasis on the anyone) that there is going to be a GM-event. How could one predict a necromencer needs a princes turned into a frog for his personal pleasure and fettishes? Or that in a weeks time the possability arises that a lady decides to plant a mushroom garden? RP should be spontanious. GM-events aim for that. If not, we have to blend in the RP and make it a possability to pre-announce them. Think of tournaments and such.

PS: Sarcasm or no I love the game and appreciate the work that 98% of you do however with the way the game is currently a player with chain boots and gloves has a distinct advantage over other players and as such them having such an item should NOT be a willy-nilly thing. In regards to my post the 98% of you are not who im talking about it is that other 2% that is harming the game as a whole.


PPS (was posted while I was responding)

Draklar is right.  The nature of the first post in this thread makes it difficult, if not impossible, to respond in a manner consistent with the desired tone of these boards.  Drah, however, raises a couple of good points.  Firstly, I did once run an event written for evil characters (to not take undeserved credit, I should state that I did not write said event).  It was extremely well written and a lot of fun, but I had trouble finding evil characters.  Most of the characters I encountered were good aligned.  Many of these opted out as their characters could not do what my character was asking, and rightly so.  I ended up with a group of characters ranging good to neutral.  They ultimately found a non-evil means to accomplish what my character asked.  This worked out fine, but the point is, events aren't usually written for evil characters because they can be so hard to find.

Second, I agree.  We do need some events that pit players against each other.  I haven't written any events yet, so I don't have a right to complain about this though Cheesy  It is a good idea which will be taken into consideration.

Lastly, I do think one response to the initial post is needed:  I would never give my guild mates advanced notice of any events, and I fully trust my fellow GMs to take the same attitude, to the fullest extent to which it is possible to trust someone you know on the internet.  IE I cannot say that it is impossible, but I would be extremely surprised if I heard that someone was giving their own guild favor in this manner.
Posted on: May 19, 2007, 10:22:15 AM
Posted by: drah

I think I answered most of this but why don't you do a cross check for how many people on what guilds have GM event items there will be spikes with certain guilds and more so then is seemingly plausible.

[Karyuu]

Cyber, the reason some guilds may seem to participate in the most GM events is simply due to the times the events are held. Our GMs, although they often try (and I swear by this), cannot always hold events when it is 3am in their timezone. If a guild's members are primarily in the same or nearby timezones as most of the GMs, then of course they will be able to join more often than those who live on the other side of the world. This is unfortunate, but we can't do anything about it without recruiting more GMs (which is being done).

There is 0 favoritism going on - we can't fix what isn't there.

[bilbous]

You see this is why I suggested that there be standardized mini-quests. Say item x becomes available as a quest reward from a major GM event. The winners of said event should be allowed to enjoy the uniqueness of their rewards for several months until some arbitrarily defined period lapses whereupon some process which any player can complete is put in place so that all players can acquire the item. This could be as simple as gathering X number of apples, mushrooms (lake and night) or require the defeat of monsters of varying strength. Of course if these quest items have no actual functionality I do not see why anyone would care if someone else has them.

As far as non-magical armor bits go, I do not really understand why they are not already available from NPC's if their coding is complete. Is it because there is little else that can be used for quest rewards? I do recall one event having to do with a gm jeweler who apparently rewarded some people with some kind of ring, I have never participated well enough to warrant any reward nor did anyone show me theirs.

[Xillix Queen of Fools]

All items available through gm events are or will be available through other means. Relax.

The idea of favoritism is a bit wonky.

Follow me into a logical explaination . . .

Gm's were once players. As players they hung out with people during certain hours that they had the luxury to play in. Other players played during the same hours. Friendships formed by proximity arose out of the common time on the server. Guilds formed from friendships and common time on the server. Some of the afformentioned players became gms. Gm's host gm events. Not too surprisingly they gm actively most often at the same times that they used to play. Some how or another the people that Gm's used to play with (friends, enemies, guildmates) see benefit from these gm events.

One thing we need is 24 hour gm coverage, that I can get behind.

Bad guy events . . .we are way ahead of you . . .

Do not indict gms, it is not generally advisable to call unwarranted suspicion on people working for free

I work closely with the gm team and they rock non-stop in favor of player enjoyment in many ways.

Snarky posts from players almost never encourage the desires of the poster be brought to fruition in a timely fashion.

I hope you get your items soon.

[cyber]

I dont care about the items quite frankly. Nor so i care that I myself have not been in a event. What I am saying is that my guild has 91 members and not ONE have chain hands and feet. Now ok the time thing well I play at every hour of the day and there is always some people on in my guild.

There is 0 favoritism going on - we can't fix what isn't there.

I am not saying that most GM's are bad but you are saying there is NO POSSIBILITY of GM favoritism? I understand backing up your peers but it is possible and think about it, it happens in all other games from time to time so how is PS so much different that there will not be any bad apples?

This attitude is the exact reason that this is possible, because you trust them that no matter what is thrown at you if they say an apple is an orange it is an orange to your eyes.

I am in no way asking for a GM audit or some dumb thing like that just for people to keep an eye out and not be blinded by their GM pride.

[Karyuu]

I dont care about the items quite frankly.

Then why are you bringing them up? I'm afraid you've lost me there. You don't care about items but you're very clearly upset about not having some pieces of chainmail. You will be able to get those pieces eventually - everyone will - and not through GM events.

All of our current GMs that have the necessary levels to run events are amazing, awesome people. They used to be regular players, and they were still amazing awesome people. That's why they became GMs. Kerol, Proglin, Einnol, Ralas, these guys are some of the most fair-minded I've met in this entire community. I know these GMs, and I vouch for them not because they are my peers, but because I know none of them are bad apples. If you don't trust me on my word, that is no one's problem but your own. You have not been given any reasonable cause to think that they are favoring anyone. They have never abused our trust, and we are not going to throw suspicious eyes at them just because they are GMs, and some GMs in some other games are bad at what they're doing.

If you play at every hour of the day, you should have seen at least one GM event. There are many people here stating that they have run, and participated in them. Some events gather as many as 100 people, some even more. Therefore, the only conclusion I can reach is: you do not in fact play at every hour of every day Which is natural.

[Xillix Queen of Fools]

Where are the GM events?

under the pickle 

cyber it is luck of the draw, i am sure you will see one

in the mean time, drop the charges, there is nothing to substantiate your claims.

Again logically, if it was true that gms played favorites . . . how does ruffling their feathers help you?

@bilbous I will advise the gms some on how to make less laggy events. There are some realities we need to face in our free project, but in some cases we can work around.

[bilbous]

Xillix, thanks. Indeed lag is inevitable with a large crowd in a small space. I have never been too concerned with this "problem," I was just suggesting what I have seen done at various servers of one of the more venerable MMORPGs, The 4th Coming. There were some items that never made it into the official game but the GMs worked up a bunch of quests of varying difficulty whereby players could acquire them. Certainly PS is nowhere near ready for that kind of thing, but it is something to think about.

[Ralleyon]

I think the settings team is working to make all the items not on sale available in the game somehow, but it takes time.

@cyber

Sorry to disappoint you mate, but the fact that I know and played alongside some of my friends who became GM's later on (I can count 4+ so far) did not bring me into any RP event. The only ones I attended were the ones I found out about myself in-game. Do you know why?

1. They are professionals about their job
2. Most of the time, they have no idea when an event is going to be held in advance, unless it's one big RP
 -- If it's a small RP, not anyone in the game has to know about it, like that lady planting carrots or whatever
 -- If it's a big RP, chances are everyone learns about it in the game, there's no need for a GM to tell me
3. The events I missed were because either they were held in a different timeframe (can't exactly complain about that, unless you can hook them up to their computers and life support machines and make them do events last more than 24 hrs continously ) or... I was simply out of PS due to real life issues for long periods of time.

And you'd expect me to be one of the favoured ones... though luck, ey?