Using ooc knowlege ingame

[Bepules]

Related to the topic http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=28776.msg332039#msg332039

What I like to complain about: It is not fair if some players use their knowledge they have from talking to GM`s or other people who are involved in game development.

What do I mean? Two examples:

1. A char sold it's silverweave or iron weapon only one hour before the slash decreased. The char even pressed to the buyer to buy the weapon now and not to wait longer.

2. A char who got chainmail gloves and boots as a reward from a GM event sold this items for a huge amount of tria only one day before everybody can buy this from a NPC merchant for much less money.

I would call this cheating because the player used information it had ooc for it's own advantage and for the disadvantage of an other player. Of course you cannot roleplay your char without ooc knowledge. That`s not the point I argue about. But you should not use so special issues depending to the development of the game ingame. That belongs not to RP and a fair exposure to each other at a ooc level.

I ask myself why does some people already know about changes that will happen ingame. If nobody would know this before nobody could sell another a pup by means of it's ooc knowledge.

[Proglin]

Hmmm... this is a rather serious issue you're refering to. Information like that should not leak under ay circumstance. Are you sure it was dilebrate on both acounts? and I mean 100% sure?

[Donari Tyndale]

Bepules, first of all, I think your accusations are void. The devs do not pass such information, at least not that I would know. I remember selling an iron battle axe just a few minutes before the server restarted and the slash was decreased, however, that was just chance. As far as I know, chainmail and silverweave things have been sold constantly, not depending on the date. In my opinion, it isn't remarkable that someone sold his things one day before they became available to everyone, maybe he was simply in need of money.

[Zan]

I'm not 100% convinced that this information doesn't leak out .. I'm certain that the devs and GM's do their best to not let it leak out but we all know that people like to bend rules when there is profit to be had. I wouldn't even be that surprised if the characters involved were alts of GM's ... this stuff happens.

I agree that it's not fair and definitely lousy RP but it's very hard to prove and slinging around accusations without proof aren't helpful.

These things are being sold and bought all the time so who can tell when someone really is using OOC information or when they're just doing what they always do?

[Donari Tyndale]

I don't see why GMs/Devs should be in need of money, they just type /item and create some thousand circles in their inventory.

[Illyria]

I still think people who use "name tags" as real information IC, are a much bigger problem. For money isn
't the main goal of PR, but RP is 

[Quantus]

In fact not the GM are the leak!

But experienced players know that a wipe or something like that will happen and they can assume a time area when it will happen.

I giftet all my silverweave short a long time before the wipe to friends and changed to normal weapons or crafted, cause I knew that the silverweave area will be finished suddenly.
I think the point is: If I had sold this weapons to young ones (noobs), it would be a not very honourable to me as IC-Char and OOC-player too.

[Karyuu]

There's no way for players to know any of these changes before they occur. None. Zero. I'm pretty sure the GMs didn't know, and I know that the devs who made these changes haven't told anyone who has no business knowing.

GMs really have no need to pull stuff like this. They've the ability to amass any items and any amount of tria they want much more easily - so it would make no sense for anyone on the GM team to go through all this trouble. To presume that some GM has done that would mean believing that someone on our GM team is that twisted. And in that case, I ask you to look at our GM list with all the names of people on the team, and tell me if you think any one of them is truly capable of it.

People sell items all the time. 24 hours before a slash change, and possibly up to the minute before. If someone pressed the buyer to take the item now, it doesn't mean s/he was in a rush because the slash was going to change in a short while. To think that it's been intentional is to jump to a hasty conclusion, unless you have definite proof of this taking place. It's not a happy conclusion to come to by an means, I can understand that. But so far, it's without foundation.

[Bepules]

Hey, I didn't want to blame any GM or dev!

Of course there is no reason for a GM to do this. I never said, that a GM did it, I only wanted to say that it could be possible that there is a leak. Nobody is able to verify this ex post. But thats not the point.

As Quantus already said it is either honourable IC nor OOC to act in this way I described above. Even if you have only a little clue that a change will happen soon you should not sell your stuff to unexperienced players.

I wanted you to think a matter over this issue that it is not only unfair in a IC way but also and even more in a OOC way.   

To the same topic belongs something similar:

If somebody creates an ALT to cheat or steal other chars their stuff it is Ok because it is RP. Not Ok is it to use this stuff with the main char. That is OOC, too, or am I wrong?

The same is considered to be if somebody channels an ALT as a secret agent in another guild to use information with his or her main char, maybe in a guild war.

Discuss, please! I am curious about your opinions.

[Feline Prince]

Erm I should point out I knew the Silverweaves were going to be slashed about a week before it happened.

[Karyuu]

Hahah, then there goes my post

Where was this information gleaned from?

[Feline Prince]

A lot of people knew as the frantic struggle to sell my 5 Silverweave daggers to someone that didn't know began. I think it was found out by someone looking at some file on the system server side rather than an inconsistency from the GM team. Also it has been said that all items given by GMs will become public at some point so you can't really complain if people sell GM items.

[Nurahk]

I'm pretty sure that the silverweaves slashes were set to be decreased since they came out.

And, I'm also pretty sure that the general public had easy access to this information
http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=26264.msg294769#msg294769

But, that's beside the point.

[Mordraugion]

I can say for my part I had no idea of either of the occurances mentioned and to be honest the players may be surprised to know how little advance information we are given

[Feline Prince]

Its rather worrying the players have a better idea of what's going on than the GMs.