Evil and Organized

[Coastal]

Hello Good Citizens

    Beware! - There are those who are hidden and are bent on control. They are well organized and well funded. They
remain hidden. They do not mind lying, cheating, stealing, or murdering. They have plans, and they intend mastery over all.
   Opposing them is an unorganized loosely confederated bunch of "good guilds" Nice people surely, but it takes better
organization to fight good organization. Are you "good guilds" going to let the "secret guilds" rule ? No !, you say, we
will fight the good fight! Guild Wars ? with Individual Combat ? Following rules ? Who are you kidding ? yourselves ? It will
take the "good guilds" some disrespect, depreciated value as seen by new players, and yes, loss, before they awake. When
they do they will realize they need to ban together NATO vs Warsaw Pact style. They need to form an uber organization
similiar, but better, than the Dark Empire. They need to recruit quality serious, players, not just anyone who wants to
belong. There can be guilds for those folks, the "good guilds" can continue the good work towards all new players, but
during this coming crisis, they need to grow strong, prosper, defend thier rights, thier members, and thier "turf". As an
interested outsider. I see people picking sides, and the lure of the dark side is growing and becoming ever popular. Have
some guilds as your "farm teams", in baseball lingo, pick the best to join your cause against evil, but put-up or shut-up,
and resign yourselves to be also rans, in a game ruled by The Dark Powers !

                                                       Mean't to generate discussion, and provoke thought, lets hear it !

[Induane]

The problem with such an idea is that the enforcement can only occur in pure RP.  Guild wars are voluntary, there is no real enforcement body besides that of the GM's and they cannot help in such an organization so as such you will actually need to rely on RP cooperation with evil guilds.  This can be done but I'm not sure its what you had in mind.

[zanzibar]

Hello Good Citizens

    Beware! - There are those who are hidden and are bent on control. They are well organized and well funded. They
remain hidden. They do not mind lying, cheating, stealing, or murdering. They have plans, and they intend mastery over all.
   Opposing them is an unorganized loosely confederated bunch of "good guilds" Nice people surely, but it takes better
organization to fight good organization. Are you "good guilds" going to let the "secret guilds" rule ? No !, you say, we
will fight the good fight! Guild Wars ? with Individual Combat ? Following rules ? Who are you kidding ? yourselves ? It will
take the "good guilds" some disrespect, depreciated value as seen by new players, and yes, loss, before they awake. When
they do they will realize they need to ban together NATO vs Warsaw Pact style. They need to form an uber organization
similiar, but better, than the Dark Empire. They need to recruit quality serious, players, not just anyone who wants to
belong. There can be guilds for those folks, the "good guilds" can continue the good work towards all new players, but
during this coming crisis, they need to grow strong, prosper, defend thier rights, thier members, and thier "turf". As an
interested outsider. I see people picking sides, and the lure of the dark side is growing and becoming ever popular. Have
some guilds as your "farm teams", in baseball lingo, pick the best to join your cause against evil, but put-up or shut-up,
and resign yourselves to be also rans, in a game ruled by The Dark Powers !

                                                       Mean't to generate discussion, and provoke thought, lets hear it !

1.  NATO is OOC.
2.  Secret guilds are, by their very nature, secret.
3.  Guild wars and duels aren't the only ways to solve conflicts.
4.  Good versus Evil is boring, and Planeshift's political scene is more complicated than good and evil.
5.  There are secret societies that control everything.  You don't know about them, so don't pretend.
6.  It is evident that you don't understand what the Dark Empire is about.
7.  Talking about "turf" and "respect" is TRASHY.
8.  Dark does not mean Evil.

[Hwnae]

* Hwnae chuckles

"Bigger, badder and better than the Empire huh.

And then what, what do you do when you finally defeat those oh so evil forces that want to rule Yliakum? Give the power back to the people? Massacre everyone you say to be evil and burn them at the stake? Or maybe you'll rule the eight levels yourself, bringing peace under your enlightened rule ... with a touch of procecution and unfair removal of those wo don't think like you?

Why is it that it's always the good and bright guys that speak of war without being attacked first? Do you really believe the lot of you are better because you claim to be good? You'd gladly slay anyone with the excuse of them being evil and wanting control."

* Hwnae laughs and slowly walks away

"You'd be better off taking an example of the Empire and minding your own business instead of this warmongering!"

[Raleigh]

     *Annera shrugs: The world is not as black and white as some people think, means and ends define many things, and the power corrupts, so even the most pure and goodwilled organization, when in a position of power, will betray its ideals and feed itself through the selfish aspirations of its members. True "evil" lies away from the obvious and clear, the real threats hidden under covers of good-will and helpfulness, the proverbial wolves dressed as sheeps. Now what if our "good" is not so good as we think?

[zanzibar]

Yeah.  The sickest, most evil, most sadistic guilds I've known have all claimed to be good-alligned.  Welcome to the world of the sociopath.

[Coastal]

Good Citizens

     Or course this is just roleplaying in the game PlaneShift ! Or course references such as NATO, WARSAW PACT, etc are OOC !
Of course I do not know the secret, behind the scenes, dealings of the, nameless few ? and I don't pretend I do. But, I can
imagine, Art imitates Life. Just look at today's OOC world for an example.

    However, it does seem I've hit a nerve. Dark doesn't equal Evil. Even in Roleplaying Lying, Cheating and Sealing are Evil. Some
would rather use the term Lawless, or Ruleless. Take advantage of others for our own fun, amusement and enrichment !
But, by all means, do not bring attention to us. Let's keep things behind, the scenes, hidden, secret. What they don't know,
is to our advantage !

    The point of my Message should be made clear. Those lawless groups, will take any advantage that they can. They are
organized. They are planning. They will surprise us. Do nothing, bury your head in the sand. Pollyanna Lives among us.
We do not want or need to rule. We need to organize, bring the Azure Light into the Darkness, Knowledge is Power.

                                                        - OR NOT ? What say the good citizens ? -

   

[Illyria]

Sssshhh! 

[zanzibar]

Some of the most evil organizations are actually very lawful.  You said it yourself by calling them "organized".

[wither]

I agree with zanzibar, organisation is created by order, rules and laws. 

I wonder though...
Even the lowest of theives, and the cruelest of murderers have honour.  Do the "good" have such honour, or prefer to bathe in their selfishness.  Afterall, why be worried about those that lay in the shadows, if that is where they stay?  Instead, "good" seems to want to massacre the shadows, and more so, know more about what is happening in the secrecy of the shadows.  This is for nothing more than knowledge, knowledge is power, selfishness is fed with power then grows.

[zanzibar]

Even the lowest of theives, and the cruelest of murderers have honour.

Not necessarily.

Do the "good" have such honour, or prefer to bathe in their selfishness.

Uh... what?

Afterall, why be worried about those that lay in the shadows, if that is where they stay?  Instead, "good" seems to want to massacre the shadows, and more so, know more about what is happening in the secrecy of the shadows.

My character is distinctively evil and attempts to "save" him have been made a number of times.  You're making unfair generalizations.

This is for nothing more than knowledge, knowledge is power, selfishness is fed with power then grows.

If you say so.

[wither]

Even the lowest of theives, and the cruelest of murderers have honour.

Not necessarily.

From where my character hangs out, there is honour amongst thieves.

Do the "good" have such honour, or prefer to bathe in their selfishness.

Uh... what?

Perhaps too much for you to understand.

Afterall, why be worried about those that lay in the shadows, if that is where they stay?  Instead, "good" seems to want to massacre the shadows, and more so, know more about what is happening in the secrecy of the shadows.

My character is distinctively evil and attempts to "save" him have been made a number of times.  You're making unfair generalizations.

Not unfair, since I am going by the generalizations made in this thread before my post.

This is for nothing more than knowledge, knowledge is power, selfishness is fed with power then grows.

If you say so.

The way of the world, not because I say so.  Most people that yearn for power, have aspirations of selfishness and greed, why else would they want the power?  Good then turn against good, and fight for that power, while an "evil" organisation is less likely to have its members turn on each other for that power.  They are more likely to share the power, and overcome all "good"

[zanzibar]

From where my character hangs out, there is honour amongst thieves.

Yes, but not necessarily.

Perhaps too much for you to understand.

Or perhaps too little.

Most people that yearn for power, have aspirations of selfishness and greed, why else would they want the power?

To change the world as they see fit.

[Coastal]

Citizens, Brothers and Sisters, This is supposed to philospohical in nature and not mean spirited, or disrespectful in any way.
I know the most vocal critics of this post have been ranking members of the Dark Empire, what else would you expect them
to say about a post such as mine?

     Everyone is entitled to RP Planeshift, in any way that they choose. The Planeshift world is rich and varied, and has
the potential to keep us all amused. Maybe too much so. A person's character, can have good or bad alignment, They
can affect a few other players with the way they RP. They are quickly identified and avoided, if they attempt to scam
you, etc.
    Guilds are a collection of players gathered together to RP a common theme, learn from each other, and enjoy
each other's company. It can add a new dimension to the game.  Guilds can also be a powerful force in the game.
Guilds are the creation of it's founder, his/her RP extended to a group format. A guild is only as strong/weak as the
founder's vision and embraced by a strong/weak collection of other players. The "best" guilds seem to have all the
"best" players. It's the vision of the founder that attracts these players, the players stay because they get something
out of the guild, it adds something extra to the game. In the members eyes, it is essentially a "mod" to the game.
They exist with thier friends in a game slightly different than that of players who are not in the guild. This can be a
good thing if it doesn't impact the play of others in Planeshift. However, guilds that are founded on the premise that
they are going to change Planeshift into thier founder's own RP vision, could have unanticipated consequences for
the average player that does not share the guilds vision. It depends on the power of the vision and those players
who share it. Have your guild, roleplay as you like, enjoy the world you've created for yourselves, just don't expect
me, a non-member, to enjoy it also. Do not expect me or others to stand-by and watch as you remake Planeshift
as you see fit.

 Jan 2005, It was asked:
"about ur global domination project, how u gonna conquer and destroy all the guilds in PS with only 8 members :rolleyes" Ashamn

Answer:
"It may not be possible but we still have the ambition to do it. Thats what really counts, and thats the foundation of the guild"
Princess Aelya

From present day Website:

                                    "the dark ones are gathered in their quest for domination and control"

                       "Through cooperation and solid leaderance we shall evolve to claim everything Vodùl created"


      This may seem like a big deal about nothing, but,  "Mighty Oaks, from little acorns grow",  and from another
cliche, "nip it in the bud" Keep your RP, have fun with your guild, just bring down the vision to only include yourselves, please.

                                                                             Back to the Game !

[Zan]

Please stop mixing IC and OOC up so much in this thread ... if you want to be yet another 'hero' that wants to rally everyone against the Dark Empire then stick to IC behaviour and leave words like players, NATO, Warsaw Pact, RP, etc. out of your speeches. If you want to organise some fun roleplaying lay off the dramatics and just talk to the people involved, work out a way to pull this off with which everyone agrees and can enjoy themselves. You're confusing the heck out of me

P.S.: your quotes about the Dark Empire are from quite a while ago, since then the Empire is under new leadership by Sangwa and it's goals and nature have changed. Granted the website is long overdue for an update but it is bad roleplay to use OOC reasons like websites and forum posts to start an IC war either way.