Why are Q300 weapons still in the game?

[Bepules]

I noticed that old Q300/300 weapons made in a time in which everybody was able to craft such a weapon without any practical training are still in the game.
And today these people are able to make a copy oh this weapon by stacking and repairing.

Is this fair to honest crafters who train a lot to make a weapon? If I train some month smithing I would be maybe able to craft a Q200/200 weapon. But nobody will buy it because everybody would buy an copy of an old Q300/300 or Q250/250 weapon from a crafter who has still one of this.

Why are the old high quality weapons not wiped? Better today then tomorrow, when the first honest crafters are able to make high Q weapons from hard training.

[Zan]

Wiping high quality weapons is not a fix to this problem .. it's just hiding the results. Hopefully with the new inventory system that is coming, our stacking problem will be fixed.

[Bepules]

Hopefully with the new inventory system that is coming, our stacking problem will be fixed.

Stacking and repairing is a bug? Not a feature?

[Caarrie]

It was a feature to get around a bug and it seems to be fixed with not being able to stack weapons in HEAD

[Bepules]

HEAD?

What does it mean?

I am worry about the using of stacking and repairing. As far as I understood Caarrie it is no bugusing, isn't it?

[peeg]

HEAD is the current bleeding-edge development version of PlaneShift.
You will most probably not be able to stack weapons in .19 (the next public release) anymore. So the stacking-bugs should be fixed then.

[Zan]

Stacking shouldn't alllow an item to get a higher quality than it normally has, that's the bug. This doesn't mean that stacking and repairing itself aren't features ... just that they shouldn't be used to make weapons better than they are. I consider people who do that to be exploiters.

[lorac]

First off About the Q300/300s
I know some people Who really do make them and spent Months training up to make them
put all other game play aside to just train up in weapons creation
 So why would you cry to have q300s wiped
just train up
sorry to be so harsh in what i am saying but This is a game
It is a BETA no less
Instead of worrying about what can be taken away why not worry about what can be added or fixed as in the problems
sorry thats just how i feel
I am not flaming you
and i do mean what i say with respect to ones feelings
But if 300/300s were a problem then i should cry about the fact that no one will buy my quality 100s that i make
enough said on my part
just food for thought
remeber one thing
There is always one who can do something better than an other
and the other can do something better than the one
just perfect your trade and you will be rich with knolage
and also with tria
I just dont understand why people cry for wipes
when others are successful at what they do
One day some one is going to cry wipe and we all will be deleted
all the hard work we put in to our selves
all the training all the reputations
and Probably all the guilds
So be carful on what you wish
you may get more than you ask for

[Bepules]

First off About the Q300/300s
I know some people Who really do make them and spent Months training up to make them
put all other game play aside to just train up in weapons creation
 So why would you cry to have q300s wiped
just train up

Well, I didn't talk about wiping of Q300/3000 weapons. I talked about the fact that old Q300 made with the help of a bug are duplicated with the help of a feature that exists to get around a bug. I only suggested to wipe the Q300 to prevent that copys are made from weapons wich were crafted in a time in that crafting didn't work as today.
 
You say to train up? But, why should I do, why shouuld I spend months and why should I put all other game play aside? It is much easier to craft a sword with level 0 in blacksmith and swordmaking with a quality of 30 and stack it on my old bugcrafted Q300 sword. Then I have two swords Q165/300. Now I just need to repair them to Q300/300 and I am ready. I don't train crafting. Instead I have fun and make what is the game about: roleplaying.
Oh yeah...all other people that don't have these old Q300 weapons have to train hard and me...I enjoy myself. 

Instead of worrying about what can be taken away why not worry about what can be added or fixed as in the problems

So, now I ask you: Is a wipe not a method to fix the problem that copys of old Q300 are able to make? Besides I said that the wipe would be better today than tomorrow because if the first people are able to craft them it would be understadable that they would complain about a wipe of their weapons. I didn't know that there are already some people who can make them legaly.

In my opinion you are only afraid of a wipe...maybe you even sell copys of your old Q300 selfmades...or you don't like the bad w-word in generel...

[Bensonor]

Personally i don't think it's that big of a deal. some ppl want 3oo's and sometimes they need better stats in there weapons.

[Bepules]

Personally i don't think it's that big of a deal. some ppl want 3oo's and sometimes they need better stats in there weapons.

What do you like to say?

Do you know that a Q300 short sword is as well as a shord sword with slash 8? Or what do you mean with better stats?

[lorac]

This should npt even worrent a responce since you like to point things out and make everyone look like they are the bad ones
I am going to make this short
1 I care less about wipes because i made it to what Lorac is now with out exploiting
But to loose my swords i spent hard madeTria for because you are crying about something that not alot knew about
yes i would be mad
2 you shot your self in the foot by saying what you have to do
you wont sell swords any more ................hope admin catches the exploit and deleted the detail you mentioned
Sorry but I care less about Exploits because I have honor
3 its your choice wether you want to actually become good at something or not
I can not tell you what to do
But dont take it out on everyone else because you dont want to work for what you have
As far as me selling old Q300s
I dont even sell my weapons i make now
I give them to people who need them
So my friend wrong on all counts
(it makes me sad that people are so self oriented)
(with that said I am done argueing this matter)

Do not even begain to put my name in with exploits
because I dont need to cheat or take advantage of others
and i am offended you could insinuate that i may have
We obviously have not met ingame
Anyways i am done argueing
no matter what wipes will come and go
and I care less if it comes today or in the marrow
I care about the people
Thats what makes ps
not what we have

* lorac bows and walks away

[Bepules]

I care less about wipes because i made it to what Lorac is now with out exploiting
But to loose my swords i spent hard madeTria for because you are crying about something that not alot knew about
yes i would be mad

Hm...seems like you are afraid of the Q300 weapons of your char.
And: I am pretty sure that everybody who has an old Q300 or Q250 weapon knows how to make a copy!
That's why I don't made this:

you shot your self in the foot by saying what you have to do

hope admin catches the exploit and deleted the detail you mentioned

Why should a admin do so? Is it a spoiler to complain about a bug, or something that is considered to be similar to a bug? Or are you afraid that buyers of Q300 weapons could ask if the weapon was made in a legal way? 

[Bensonor]

he said he didn't want to argue and i agree because this is no big deal at all you should respect him. 

[Bepules]

he said he didn't want to argue and i agree because this is no big deal at all you should respect him. 

It`s no big deal? It`s the same as if somebody uses a way without training to cast spells in crystal way you are only able to cast if you reached the maximum level...what is 150 maybe. I don't know.
It is even a bigger deal because of this the economy related to crafting cannot develop. The prices for high Q weapons are so cheap because there is no effort in training to craft such a weapon. Most of the crafters I know sell their copys of high Q weapons for the number of steel stocks and some money, about 10k tria for a pair of weapons. So I ask: Who would buy a selfcrafted Q200 weapon made from hard training? If the crafter wants to sell it he/she has to sell it for less than a Q300 weapon. But less than a Q300 weapon means the crafter makes a loss by selling it.