Why are Q300 weapons still in the game?

[Bensonor]

So if it's such a big deal to you why don't you start making 300's yourself. 

[Mhyrage]

No it doesn't because it IS less than a Q300 weapon, you said it youreself it's a Q250...why would it sell for the same and why would it be less? I think people should just play the freaking game and not complain, it's in alpha/beta and even so it beats almost every other free MMO in existence. It seems like this "bug" isn't exactly new. Wiping Q300 swords/etc won't stop people from doing it again. Somebody just needs to find a way to fix it until then live with it eh? With all due kindness, stop typing. /what he said. *points up*

[Bepules]

So if it's such a big deal to you why don't you start making 300's yourself. 

It seems to me you don't understand the issue I complain about!
Extra for you I write it once again: In earlier time people was able to craft Q300 weapons without any skill in weapon making and blacksmith. Today they use these old selfmade weapons to make a copy of them. The way they do this copy is considered to be exploiting.

No it doesn't because it IS less than a Q300 weapon, you said it youreself it's a Q250...why would it sell for the same and why would it be less? I think people should just play the freaking game and not complain, it's in alpha/beta and even so it beats almost every other free MMO in existence. It seems like this "bug" isn't exactly new. Wiping Q300 swords/etc won't stop people from doing it again. Somebody just needs to find a way to fix it until then live with it eh? With all due kindness, stop typing. /what he said. *points up*

1. I said that a Q300 weapon is very cheap today because there is no effort to train to craft such a weapon. Because of this the price of it is only somewhat more than the price to produce it, means the number of stocks. So you have to go cheper if you like to sell a Q200 weopon because a Q200 is not as well as a Q300. But if you go cheaper than the price you have to pay to produce it you make a loss.

2. The "bug" is not new, that's right. But am I not allowed to complain about something old fashioned? And wiping Q300 will stop people from doing it again! Without an original no copy.
If somebody is able to craft a Q300 weopon in a legal way he/she should be able to make a copy of this. Then he/she trained hard for this this.

[Mhyrage]

No I think they should just have to make a nother one..after all why would you train so much to make it yourself and then copy it? Your saying you don't want people to be able to copy from the Q300 obtained from no effort but if they can make it themselves they're entirely free to do so? That's stupid.

[Bepules]

They have to make another weapon, that's right. This effort has everybody who crafts a weapon, even if you make a copy. A copy means stacking and repairing, I explained it already. Maybe I should mention that you are only able to make a copy if you are the same crafter. Nobody can make a copy of a sword made from somebody else.
If somebody ever made a Q300 weapon from hard training in a legal way then he/she could make a Q300 every time again. But crafting today depends often on someones luck. So it could be that you make at first a Q300 and then a Q280. Then it should be allowed to stack the Q280 on your Q300 and repair both on Q300/300.
I complain that originals made without any training in earlier days are used to make copies today.

And, I like to apeal to all that you should only post your opinion if you know what I am talking about. If your char never made a weapon it could maybe be that you cannot catch my words in the right way. If there are qestions that something should be explained nearer I will explain them of course.

[Mhyrage]

I never claimed to know anything about it. All I'm saying is, if you put all that time into making a weapon, you should be able to make another one. Don't wipe the Q300s already in existence, no matter what the circumstance. Just make it so you can't make any crappy old sword exactly the same due to a feature/bug. All they have to do is make it so as you go up in repair level the max quality won't drop. That way it's more risky too. Risk = Fun...

[Bepules]

Well, if you repair a Q300 weapons the max quality don't drop.

You are right. There are two ways to solve this:
1. wipe all Q300 weapons
2. don't allow to make a copy at all

But if you wipe the Q300 there will be a big demant in the market of weapons. If you don't wipe them the market is saturated with all the old selfmade weapons that were made without training and their copies that were made with the help of a bug/feature.
Only a wipe can give all honest crafters a chance to sell there selfmade weapons.
I say this because I know a lot crafters who have a lot copies of there Q300 and Q250 weapons. Some of them has even some ALTs who are full of them.
That means even it is not possible to make a copy one day there is a big hoard of this weapons. And that's something that handicaps the development in the weapon market.

[bilbous]

I am not sure max quality drops in any case these days there may be a bug. I repaired someones frosty sword from 17 to 47/50 last night and it remained at 50 when in the past it would have reduced to 49 or 48 or possibly less considering the number of kits I needed to use.

[Bepules]

Maybe it was something buggy the last days, bilbous, but you can repair Q300 weapons without droping the max quality for month.

But that was not the original issue I complained about. However, thanks for you annotation.

[Caarrie]

Maybe it was something buggy the last days, bilbous, but you can repair Q300 weapons without droping the max quality for month.

As far as i know from talking to TomT this is how it should work for crafted weapons no quality drop on repair.

[Mhyrage]

No I mean that if you repair them all the way. It always drops. It just seems dumb. In real life it would even make some sense(at absurdly high levels) to make it even better than before on repair. If max Q never drops they can safely just take the whole stacking thing off because it won't really be necessary for any repair fixing. That way people would actually have to make two instead of make one and use some 25/50 sword to make the second.

[Bensonor]

In my opinion there should be even stronger weapons that you can get with even higher quality. when you think about it the 300's aren't that great.

[Bepules]

Sorry for saying that here, but I don't understand why you, whose Char kills noobs on their first day, are saying this.
To kill a noob you can use a standart weapon as well, isn`t it.

But to be serous: If you are maxed out in a weapon combat skill and you use a Q300 weapon against a player you will kill him easily. Not that easy as in times where the max HP was 300 and where silverweave weapons existed but easy enough. I am glad that the time of the one hit duels is over.

[saamu]

To wipe out my 300/300 will be disasterous to me at this stage. Its taking me close to a week to achieve 1 level in sword making and it will be many more weeks before the preceived level to make 300/300 is acquired. A wipe will mean that i will have to purchase from another crafter (if one can be found) which is adding insult to injury as I am a crafter.

[Valorius Rageway]

Do you know that a Q300 short sword is as well as a shord sword with slash 8? Or what do you mean with better stats?
...The prices for high Q weapons are so cheap because there is no effort in training to craft such a weapon.

Not even close. It's more like a Slash 6 range weapon. Iron SS were slash 8 before they were 'fixed' by the devs, and an Iron SS did a LOT more damage than a crafted 300/300. And that's true for an Iron dag vs a crafted dag as well.

And by the way, 300Q crafted weapons are anything but cheap.

But to be serous: If you are maxed out in a weapon combat skill and you use a Q300 weapon against a player you will kill him easily. Not that easy as in times where the max HP was 300 and where silverweave weapons existed but easy enough. I am glad that the time of the one hit duels is over.

Valorius can kill almost any player in the game with a "one pass" kill if the opponent is using bloody stance(which virtually everyone does for some reason). And not just with crafteds either. There are lootable daggers and swords that still allow consitent "First pass" kills.

Just for the record, crafteds are also not the best weapons in PS either.