Why are Q300 weapons still in the game?

[Dathe]

Yes, maybe a Q300 short sword makes only the same damage as a slash 6. Thanks for correction.

And by the way, 300Q crafted weapons are anything but cheap.

Are they? The normal pice for a Q300 short sword is about 20k tria. For a short sword you need 8 steel stocks to craft it. That means 2,5k tria each steel stocks. But: In the same time I dig the minerals for a steel stock and make it I can make much more money from digging gold.

As Saamu said, he needs a week training swordmaking one level higher. I think it will lasts some months training until you can make Q300 without making copies. If you consider this and my words before about the fact that you need much time to dig the steel stocks you will notice that the price is cheap. But...of course, if you can make a Q300 without any training (only if you are a player, who made a Q300 weapon in former times) you can afford to sell easy made copies for 20k tria

Just for the record, crafteds are also not the best weapons in PS either.

Are there better weapons? I don't know better weapons with a slash/speed 3. The best ones I ever got as loot have slash/speed 2.


I still wonder why there is no official answer from the PS team if it is allowed to make copies of old high quality weapons. 

[Valorius Rageway]

A set of 300/300SS is currently going for around 100k.

There are many weapons in the game over slash 3. Dark/fire/frosty SS are three such examples. I've seen some looted slash 4 LS too. There are a bunch of lootable axes over slash 3.

[Bepules]

Erm...I think Dathe spoke about the percentage of slash to speed:

Are there better weapons? I don't know better weapons with a slash/speed 3. The best ones I ever got as loot have slash/speed 2.

You said there are better weapons than crafted ones. And you said a crafted Q300 ss has a slash from 6, now you are going to tell me there are frosty, fire and dark ss with slash 4. These weapons aren't better!?!

By the way: If you buy a set of weapons for 100k you don't know the market. But...maybe the time of making Q300 weapons easily will be over if the server is runnung...and hopefully the existing ones will be wiped to clear the market of this cheaterweapons.

[lorac]

Erm...I think Dathe spoke about the percentage of slash to speed:

Are there better weapons? I don't know better weapons with a slash/speed 3. The best ones I ever got as loot have slash/speed 2.

You said there are better weapons than crafted ones. And you said a crafted Q300 ss has a slash from 6, now you are going to tell me there are frosty, fire and dark ss with slash 4. These weapons aren't better!?!

By the way: If you buy a set of weapons for 100k you don't know the market. But...maybe the time of making Q300 weapons easily will be over if the server is runnung...and hopefully the existing ones will be wiped to clear the market of this cheaterweapons.

And the ones who worked very hard for the tria to get the Q300s are out of the tria they paid for the Q300s?
Talk about Self centered
I am glad i dont know you ingame

yes there is better than crafter weapons
take the ones that have a modifier on it
And I cant say which ones due to the fact it would be a spoiler
But I take it you dont have the stats to weild the better ones since you dont know of them

Granted they wear out but if you repair them Only when you need to then they will last a while

But Back to the Q300s
there is no way to know for sure how a crafter made his/her weapons
and what you are asking for is a mass rip off to the ones who use the crafters to supply their weapons

I still cant believe this thread still lives
since there was a post about locking the threads crying for a wipe

Its a game
Its a game in testing
Things Will Balance out in there own time
Devs already Fixed the stack issue you cried about
ENOUGH!

* lorac Walks away from conversation because it is feutal to even argue this situation even worse it is un honourable

Good luck in your quest to totally mess over the community since some it takes a week or more to come up with the tria to pay for a good weapon
Rememeber  for every action is a reaction
This is my last time posting on this thread
I need to focuse on something more Intel

[Bepules]

Second answer, using the 300 quality weapon as a template to craft other such weapons without having the skill to do so is an exploit and a bug. It's unfair towards those crafters who do not posses these high quality weapons. So if you want to play fair, no you can't use it that way. Technically you could be punished by the GM team for doing this but you won't be able to do it for much longer anyway.

I expect a nice high quality weapon wipe as soon as the next version becomes available.

Well, it seems that nearly everybody who buys a Q300 weapon supports crafters which use a bug, and bugusing = cheating.
So, all the money you paied for your Q300 you paid maybe to a cheater, you paid him/her and he/she cheated for you...

That's why I asked to wipe them, to wipe them before the first honest crafters who worked hard to do a Q300 are able to do some legaly.
It's no big thing to ask for a wipe! When everybody could find a silverweave and big amount of trias there were wiped to. But the difference is, that there everybody had the same chance to find the tria and silverweaves. Q300 copies could only be made by players who made them in the old crafting time, so it's even more unfair.

But, the stacking system changed now, the max quality becomes the average of the stacked items, so there is no way to copy Q300 now anymore, but there are a lot of crafter who have still mules full of high quality selfmades, so it will last a long time until the price for selfcrafted weapons made by honest crafters will be worth the work they have done to train to make good weapons.

And who knows lorac, maybe our characters know each other better than you think, maybe you would not be so bold to tell me that there is no Intel in this topic, and you won't tell me something about maxed stats and better weapons...maybe
It's a general problem that the answers an a post depends more on the person who posted something and less on the content. This problem can be found everywhere and is quite normal, we all are humans, but I have to say that in this forum it is in a much higher gear than it is normal.

[lorac]

I never said there was no intell in thread
Do not put words in my mouth
I said i need to focus on something more intel
this means I need to redirect my energys
I am a grown up
The Devs killed the stacking
They limited the ability to hold things in your inv
if you you actually believe in mules and you load it up and it is over weight you can not trade any more
you can do nothing!!! but sit
then also food for thought
the old Q300s are now a Q250
so how can some one clone a Q300 now
I dont know if you use a different name in game
But Lorac is Lorac
So with that said
I ment no Insult in the post before
I never mentioned Maxed stats
I said i take it you do not have the stats to equip the good weapons with the modifiers
They wiped the Stackable  Q300s
they killed the stack repair bug
So with that said And I did choose my words carfully because it seems you have a way of turning it around where i was slaming you
when infact all i was doing is pointing out my View on this issue
and yes i did say i am glad i dont know you in game
this is because I feel there is no honour in what what you are asking them to do
it seems no matter what they do to fix the issue you are not going to be happy till Every person who can make the swords or who own them Suffers
just so you can make a lousy tria
so to me as i said in last post this is focusing on self and self only
I dont have this kind of logic
I help others before i even think about my self ingame
And I am not saying this is what you do
I am saying this is what it sounds like
and yes i did look once again at this thread
only because i wanted actually listen and see if you had  a clearer point of view for me that has not been stated
At first you said Old Q300s
now the Old Q300s are gone
one night they were Q300s the next day they were Q250s
but with that said i am wraping this up

[drah]

I suspect I've been getting ripped off then.

And I spent around 400k tria on getting what I thought were genuinely crafted weapons so that I could supply guildmates with them.

Oh well.  If they get wiped they get wiped.  Not the end of the world.

[Bepules]

Yes, Drah, it is possible that you got ripped of, ripped off from a cheater. The person who earned the 400k earned them with using a bug.
But now nobody will be able to craft new ones in this way.

@lorac: I don't understand what you want to say to me. I already said that the bug is fixed now. But why do you talk about mules that carry over weight? If I have only one mule that can carry 220 weight then the mule could carry 220 daggers. Imagine I have 10 mules, and imagine there are 10 crafters who have each 10 mules. Maybe now you can imagine why the weapon market will be saturated in future from the mules, and why it would last a long time until the econemy with weapons will be balanced.

I have no idea if you ever crafted a weapon, but if you woul spend month at the anvil you woul recognise the problem that was. But, now it is fixed except the fact that there are still big amount of the weapons. And: there are still Q300 weapons in the game, even after the update, they aren't now Q250.

Maybe I should tell some background nowledge to clarify:

- there was a time everybody was able to do high quality weapons, even with a quality over 1000
- then there was a downgrading for all this weapons to Q250
- after the downgrading there was a little time everybody (without any skills in blacksmith and weapon making) was able to do Q300 weapons
- then there was a new crafting system implemented, the system that is the actuell system: now you are able to make a Q40 weapon with much luck with blacksmith and weaponmaking level 0. But, person who made a Q300 in the short time during the downgrading to Q250 and the change of the crafting system was able to make copies of them, as much as they liked to do. They just made a weapon (maybe Q25) and stacked it on a Q300 they have crafted (only if they were the crafter) and repaired both weapons up to Q300/300.

That's what I complained about, and why I asked to wipe the weapons, because they are made with the help of a bug. And we all use these bugcrafted weapons now, we paid the cheater to cheat for us.

In my opinion you are afraif of a wipe because you spend your money for the bugcrafted weapons. But: Ignorance is no excuse and we are testers, so you have to live with a wipe, if it is coming. As I said: The silverweaves and trias you could find everywhere was wiped too.

To the issue about better weapons than Q300/300 I say nothing because I don't know them. Though I am a very experienced player and my char can equip all weapons that don't need over level 200 in a stat. Saying 'better weapons' means: making more damage in the same time.

[lorac]

And what makes you think Q300s cant be made the honest way?
yes i am also a crafter of Battle Axes and Long swords and Short Swords
Incase you did not know
It is able to be done the legal way and honest way
Not all Q300s are bug300s
This is what i have been trying to say
And Also the bugged  crafted Swords are now a 250/250 NOT A 300/300
I Too am Very experienced in the game
I go back 2 years atleast
So yes I two know what your saying I dont totally disagree but inturn i dont agree

[Bepules]

And what makes you think Q300s cant be made the honest way?

They can be made in a honest way, but there was no crafter at this time I asked at first for a wipe able to make a Q300 weapon by the honest way. That's why I said to make a wipe soon before the first crafters make them by the honest way. You will need blacksmith lvl 30 and weaponmaking at least lvl 30 I think, maybe even lvl 40. Nobody had this level as I asked the first time, and the most common way even one hour before the update was to stack and repair. I know a lot of crafters who made and selled bugused Q300 weapons, most of them told me not to betray them. I won't do this, no, but I wanted to achieve a fair game for all, that's why I tried to sensitise the community to this bugused weapons.

And no, Q300/300 are still Q300! At leat the ones I have. And I know that they are bugcrafted.

[lorac]

Bepules
Now what you are saying is making since
( Being serious here no sarcasum in the above statment)
Problem with text is that it is hard to desern what the person is trying to say
( sorry for the typo is it is )
Now I really did not check the Date of the first post so in a way i jumped on this thread way too hard
I Do agree that the Exploited Swords / Daggers Should not exsist.
But on the other hand
Now with the time lapse being able to know for sure who has a bugged 300 would be hard to Distinguish
and so the problem lies with the fact that the only way to truly  know which swords are bugged is by looking at the Creation date in the weapons discription file in the inv script on Every player
this would take ages to do
They could delete all Q300s but with that said
there would be a magor set back on every one
the steel stocks would be harder to make since the casters and fernaces would be swormed
and this would Spike the cost of steel
making the poor grow rich in a historic rate
There would be more Theifs
Gold would amount to nothing
well until the Sheild and armour will be implimented anyways
Which is where i will turn my focus
to Armour and Sheilds
I went to Axe creation because there is not much out there for high quality battle axes
but found the training buggy I could make 1 Q200 axe out of 20 -30 Battle Axes made
So i went back to sword and dagger crafting till they look into the crafting on the Axes
I say all this so you infact know that I am speaking from actual experience
But I was wrong with how i perseved this thread
and In the simplest of details i overlooked

I am sorry for the way i worded things and also for the statement saying i am glad i dont know you in game
That this thread was dishonorable
As i mis took exactly what was being said
I do appriceate the trying to put all of us on an even playing feild
as do probably most
thanx for your time

[Zan]

This discussion is pointless ... everything will be wiped at one point or another

I think the 300 quality weapons to be wiped as soon as the Devs are certain that there are no more exploits possible in that area and even if they aren't then, they will be later on along with everything else. The fact that honest work will also be lost doesn't matter, all of us players will eventually lose everything .. if we can't deal with that we're playing/testing the wrong game.

Important: All Characters Will Be Wiped before 1.0 release