Fighting on Plaza ALWAYS OOC???

[drah]

Is fighting on the plaza actually a bannable offense?

I know it's "illegal" according to the in-game law, but laws can be broken ICly... I'm looking for the OOC rules relating to this. (just to clarify)

If there were, say, 50 combattants... would the guards realistically be able to do much?  or would fighting with these numbers still be considered OOC?

[Draklar]

If there were, say, 50 combattants... would the guards realistically be able to do much?  or would fighting with these numbers still be considered OOC?

There's a huge sentry tower next to the plaza. Headquarters probably somewhere nearby.
Before half of those 50 had the chance to wipe one another, they would find themselves surrounded by a huge number of crossbowmen. Yes, I think it would be easy to stop them.

[Nikodemus]

It wouldnt be ooc to fight there. It would be ooc if you refused to disarm and be placed into jail for some amount of time.

Edit: This may be good to write about:
Current game mechanics are so undeveloped that most actions cant be roleplayed by these game mechanics. For instance, you can go to Plazaa make duels beetwen all, but in the meanwhile you should keep in mind there are guards gathering around, as they wouldn't miss so much trouble makes gathering in town (what game mechanics can't provide). Then its hard to say what exactly the guards woud do: try to stop before you start, or let your numbers decrease a bit as you fight each another. Then you would have to figure out who would exactly win (probably guards, but nothign is sure), if someone escape, what would be the losses, who would be taken... what would happen in jail, what punisment, if you got all stuff taken from you back... and so on.
All this can't be provided by game mechanics.
If you want to ignore all this, then you aren't playing RP game, but just a game.
Or RP game where are rules of life are screwed up and has almost nothing to do with how everyone RP in a game like Planeshift.

[drah]

Thanks for the responses.  I was only asking so I can better know the limits of what is and isn't plausible.

I never really gave consideration to the guards that we can't see and obviously, because of this... was under the false impression that Hydlaa only had about 10 guards.

[LigH]

Roleplay your invasion, and it will be IC.

The "common law" mostly exists to avoid an impression to newcomers, that PlaneShift could be a completely lawless, hostile environment: There is a PvP area in the arena, and there are pacified areas in contrast. You may see it as a strong recommendation not to play egoistically, not to slay noobs whereever they are so careless to accept a challenge.

Furthermore, there are a few "IC guards", if you like to see some lawful good guilds this way.

[Earl_Listbard]

I think its been well established by Ligh, Nikodemus, and Draklar that its possible to make it ooc by ignoring the fact that hydlaa is a secure city and not a defesnless city. But at the same time if role played properly it can be IC, i've seen occasions, they typically take place behind a building,  somewhere far from harnquists out of the public eye.

Realisticly if you were going to kill someone, would you do it in the middle of the most lively, active part of the city? or would you wait and follow them to a more quiet, unknown part of town where there are fewer eyes to witness your crime?

So the answer, No, fighting in hydlaa is not always ooc... but it certainly is when ahem you kill a guy at the fountain and don't role play the fact that EVERYONE likely knows that you just murdered, including the guards. Or how about the famous battles at harnquist?

Harnquist seems to be a hub for all passing by hydlaa, so its typical for lazy, carless thugs to start fights there, however most don't realise that since its such a big gathering spot that they don't stand a chance of escaping the law.

[Valorius Rageway]

If there were, say, 50 combattants... would the guards realistically be able to do much?  or would fighting with these numbers still be considered OOC?

There's a huge sentry tower next to the plaza. Headquarters probably somewhere nearby.
Before half of those 50 had the chance to wipe one another, they would find themselves surrounded by a huge number of crossbowmen. Yes, I think it would be easy to stop them.

There are no crossbows in yliakum. Whats more, what, are the guards just going to open fire in a crowd? BTW- said crossbows would hold one shot, and have a RoF of about 2 bolts per min.

I think you've not thought your position out very well.

What law? There is no law. I can write anything down on a piece of paper and call it a law. doesnt mean anyone will follow it. There is no law at harns cause no one enforces it, and certainly not in an IC fashion.

I'll tell you whats OC, a GM freezing and levitating 30 players, then letting them all drop at once, killing many of them. THAT is ooc.

[Draklar]

I think you've not thought your position out very well.

I think your post is amusing.

What law? There is no law. I can write anything down on a piece of paper and call it a law. doesnt mean anyone will follow it. I'll tell you whats OC, a GM freezing and levitating 30 players, then letting them all drop at once, killing many of them. THAT is ooc.

1) Go to Jayose's library.
2) Look for a book dealing with Yliakum's decree's.
3) Read it.

[Farren Kutter]

That would be awesome o.o But anyways... Who said there are no crossbows in PS?

[Nikodemus]

Valorius Rageway
You are terribly missing what do we RP in this world ;P
What you say maybe wouldmake sense in some other world you made (well, in fact many of the so calld MMORPGs ;P), but not Yliakum.

[Nicana]

In response to this ...

why was there a GM dueling event in the plaza not long ago?

(I'm all for GM events and truly appreciate the effort that goes into them ... it just struck me as odd)

[Valorius Rageway]

I think you've not thought your position out very well.

I think your post is amusing.

What law? There is no law. I can write anything down on a piece of paper and call it a law. doesnt mean anyone will follow it. I'll tell you whats OC, a GM freezing and levitating 30 players, then letting them all drop at once, killing many of them. THAT is ooc.

1) Go to Jayose's library.
2) Look for a book dealing with Yliakum's decree's.
3) Read it.

You miss my point entirely. When no one is there to enforce a law, it's not a law at all. It's wishful thinking. There is no enforcement at harns. It is simply wishful thinking to expect that there be no fighting there. Heck, we can't stop crime and murder NOW, in the 21st century.

What's more, by their very nature bans are ineffective at best. All over the moden world murder is 'banned', yet....all around us, carnage. And there's laws against all of it. Yet it still proliferates.

PS: Please- don't start with the stupid flaming.

[Bepules]

Laanx shouts: Please fight outside my Plaza, This is a place af peace and will remain that way. You can go outside the gates of Hydlaa or visit the arena, if you need to fight.

Laanx shouts: if i notice you are fighting at my Plaza, you will meet my vengeance.

Is it this what the topic is about?
It happend some days ago. And I saw Valorius and Drah and many of their guildmembers at the plaza.

According to the often criticised behaviour of Valaorius and her guilds the question have to be: "Dueling ALWAYS OOC???"

[Farren Kutter]

I still wanna know who said there was no crossbows in yliakum :/

[Valorius Rageway]

I still wanna know who said there was no crossbows in yliakum :/

Only make-believe ones my friend. (be great if they were in 019 though. )

Laanx shouts: Please fight outside my Plaza, This is a place af peace and will remain that way. You can go outside the gates of Hydlaa or visit the arena, if you need to fight.

Laanx shouts: if i notice you are fighting at my Plaza, you will meet my vengeance.

Is it this what the topic is about?
It happend some days ago. And I saw Valorius and Drah and many of their guildmembers at the plaza.

According to the often criticised behaviour of Valaorius and her guilds the question have to be: "Dueling ALWAYS OOC???"

That was a guild war vs the Lost Souls and Vlahii/Prophets of Chaos and some allied volunteers. Two guilds that many would call 'evil', or 'bad'. Yet they're expected to respect an invisible authority at harns like good citizens? If i may diverge a little, How can you even RP a 'bad guy' (or an enforcer for the good guys) when half time you do something 'bad'(or even in character), you get into trouble, warned, frozen and moved to DR, or OOC harassment warnings over it? You can't RP anything that may 'offend' the other player, as they can simply escape any RP by claiming OOC harassment, though the comments or behaviour that they're reporting is actually completely IC, and completely RP appropriate. Not to mention those slick players that know they can abuse the OOC harassment rules nearly at will to avoid any negative RP consequence they may create for themselves via their IC actions.

For instance, if you catch a spy in your guild. Or a traitor. Pursuing and 'harassing' such players for 'vengeance' is 100% realistic. Not just appropriate, but actually called for to maintain any sort of realistic flavor. In medievil times, traitors hung by the neck until dead...if they were lucky....But not in PS? PS is an RP game, right? How is it such if you can't even IC insult a spy & traitor to their face?

Back to the few guards handling a big warring army, there were and still are riots and mobs and demonstrations in city sqaures all over the planet. Even with machine guns, riot police, and CS gas large crowds are hard to control. Rarely are rioters who criminally misbehave caught. In a medievil setting, the challenge for the guards is 100x tougher.