Fighting on Plaza ALWAYS OOC???

[Farren Kutter]

There are crossbows, just the general populace is not allowed to have them yet. The guards may have them as much as they wish.

[Draklar]

Still ever so amusing xD

Valorius, did you by any chance notice the context of this thread? It's not about what's already implemented. It's about what behaviour is proper RP-wise, and what is OOC.

Examples:
Hydlaa has to withstand serious attacks from roaming beasts... it most likely has a serious guard service.
If someone has crossbow aimed at you, it isn't very likely you'll think about how many bolts it has to shoot.
Just because something isn't implemented, doesn't mean it doesn't exist RP-wise.

[Nikodemus]

You miss my point entirely.

Actually noone is missing your point, but it is you who mis ours ;P

[Feline Prince]

Valorius. If you walk into the middle of London (or whatever your capital may be) and stab someone you get arrested and put in jail. Same happens in the Hydlaa, its just as a game the mechanics aren't there. So, you would have to RP your character as an idiot if you wanted to kill someone in broad daylight in the Hydlaa. And then you wouldn't log on with them because as far as everyone else is concerned you are in jail. Now as far as the large attack Drah mentioned goes, that could very reasonably be done within the realms of good RP because there is no reason to assume that our characters know the level of protection in the Hydlaa so they might well think they can pull it off.

I think there should be a mob called 'Guard' that GMs can spawn anywhere in the hydlaa. These would attack anyone taking a combat stance. The GM could then take the role of lead guard which would lend to the RP immersion.

[Valorius Rageway]

Still ever so amusing xD

Valorius, did you by any chance notice the context of this thread? It's not about what's already implemented. It's about what behaviour is proper RP-wise, and what is OOC.

Examples:
Hydlaa has to withstand serious attacks from roaming beasts... it most likely has a serious guard service.
If someone has crossbow aimed at you, it isn't very likely you'll think about how many bolts it has to shoot.
Just because something isn't implemented, doesn't mean it doesn't exist RP-wise.

Sigh....

A crossbow holds one bolt, everyone knows it. A crossbow takes a long time to load, everyone knows that too.
 A guard tower can only hold a few crossbowmen, and only a few would be on duty at once. Do you really think warring guilds or factions wouldn't consider these facts and take them into account? Any leader with any kind of sense would carefully assess such factors.

As for attacks from outside the city, Hydlaa has WALLS with controlled access gates for external security, so it can effectively defend itself with a minimal security contingent(which is the entire purpose of walls to begin with). And my friend, that is utterly irrelevant to it's ability to maintain internal security. You may be amused at the observations of this ex-professional soldier and non-commissioned officer all you want-

It doesnt mean you're right though.

Farren: If bows were invented everyone would have them- they can be made from simple wood and twine. A crossbow is simply a more powerful bow. The notion of the guards alone having them is laughable on it's very face. "Gun control" doesnt work now, it certainly wouldnt work back then. What are implemented are wizards, and a high level wizard could certainly outgun a guard in a tower with a crossbow, dont you think?

[Feline Prince]

everyone WILL have cross bows when they are implemented. *Resists flaming as much as he can*

[Valorius Rageway]

Valorius. If you walk into the middle of London (or whatever your capital may be) and stab someone you get arrested and put in jail.

Sometimes you'd get caught, and sometimes you wouldn't. And in almost all cases, you wouldn't get caught right then and there, but later. And we're talking about 21st century london. Look at the murder rates for philadelphia where i live sometime. ANd less than half our killers get caught.

 

Same happens in the Hydlaa, its just as a game the mechanics aren't there.

Sorry, in a midevil setting that level of control is simply impossible to attain against a large warring crowd. Let alone one bristiling with high level mages.

 
 

So, you would have to RP your character as an idiot if you wanted to kill someone in broad daylight in the Hydlaa.

People are killed in broad daylight in cities all accross america and all over the world, even today. Probably even right now...

 

And then you wouldn't log on with them because as far as everyone else is concerned you are in jail. Now as far as the large attack Drah mentioned goes, that could very reasonably be done within the realms of good RP because there is no reason to assume that our characters know the level of protection in the Hydlaa so they might well think they can pull it off.

Again, this is EXACTLY the sort of thing a guild would very carefully study and monitor not just to prepare for war, but at all times. Seriously, the absolute and total lack of basic knowledge with regards to operational neccesities and basic military planning is overwhelming.

You simply wouldnt war in a city without knowing the guards response times and capabilities.

 

I think there should be a mob called 'Guard' that GMs can spawn anywhere in the hydlaa. These would attack anyone taking a combat stance. The GM could then take the role of lead guard which would lend to the RP immersion.

THAT i agree with, and ive suggested it to a few GMs of late.

[Draklar]

Okay, first of all: bows and crossbows are completely different things.

Now: Is it really that hard to comprehend when you're surrounded by a group of guards, no one will stand out due to the fear of facing certain death?
It doesn't matter how many bolts they can shoot. Crossbow is a weapon that any peasant can use and at the same time weapon that can easily pierce plate mail. That's why the weapon was despised so much. When you're surrounded by a group of people, each of whom can kill you with but a trigger of their finger, it's downright stupid to attack.

And fight between 50 people will give enough time for the guards to gather and stop whoever remains. Especially that there's a sentry tower right next to the plaza (place they can easily shoot people from too).

And looking at your recent arguments, I really have to underline it... Apparently it's extremely hard to understand.
There's a huge sentry tower right next to the plaza. If someone duels there, the guards will see it well enough.
Even if you somehow manage to run away, they will know who you are.

[Feline Prince]

And then you wouldn't log on with them because as far as everyone else is concerned you are in jail. Now as far as the large attack Drah mentioned goes, that could very reasonably be done within the realms of good RP because there is no reason to assume that our characters know the level of protection in the Hydlaa so they might well think they can pull it off.

Again, this is EXACTLY the sort of thing a guild would very carefully study and monitor not just to prepare for war, but at all times. Seriously, the absolute and total lack of basic knowledge with regards to operational neccesities and basic military planning is overwhelming.

You simply wouldnt war in a city without knowing the guards response times and capabilities.

Who said anything about a guild war?

P.S Oh and a lot less people get killed everyday than you seem to think

[Valorius Rageway]

Okay, first of all: bows and crossbows are completely different things.

Yes, crossbows are far more complex bows- yet there are no bows.

Now: Is it really that hard to comprehend when you're surrounded by a group of guards, no one will stand out due to the fear of facing certain death?

The problem is, anyone in hyldaa plaza IS NOT completely surrounded by guards. There is one tower, and one guard over by the winch- and that's it.

It doesn't matter how many bolts they can shoot. Crossbow is a weapon that any peasant can use and at the same time weapon that can easily pierce plate mail.

Sure, if you dont miss. And if youre the one in 50 thats unlucky enough to be targetted by the few gaurds.

 

That's why the weapon was despised so much. When you're surrounded by a group of people, each of whom can kill you with but a trigger of their finger, it's downright stupid to attack.

A) Youre not surrounded, B) you have far more firepower than a guy with a crossbow if youre a mage. Arrow spell goes through walls. And then there's meteors...

 

And fight between 50 people will give enough time for the guards to gather and stop whoever remains. Especially that there's a sentry tower right next to the plaza (place they can easily shoot people from too).

That's why everyone that gets into bar fights or fights at the sporting arena is caught...cause that many people fighting always get caught. Except they dont....not even today, with radios and cops and cameras and dogs, and etc, etc.

And looking at your recent arguments, I really have to underline it... Apparently it's extremely hard to understand.
There's a huge sentry tower right next to the plaza. If someone duels there, the guards will see it well enough.
Even if you somehow manage to run away, they will know who you are.

Yes, cause one could never wear a disguise or hide out in the countryside or an uncle's house in Oja until the heat settled down. People- look around you at our world today- even with our modern tech we still have prolific crime.

Again...you wish for a utopia that is unrealistic in almost every possible way to achieve.

And then you wouldn't log on with them because as far as everyone else is concerned you are in jail. Now as far as the large attack Drah mentioned goes, that could very reasonably be done within the realms of good RP because there is no reason to assume that our characters know the level of protection in the Hydlaa so they might well think they can pull it off.

Again, this is EXACTLY the sort of thing a guild would very carefully study and monitor not just to prepare for war, but at all times. Seriously, the absolute and total lack of basic knowledge with regards to operational neccesities and basic military planning is overwhelming.

You simply wouldnt war in a city without knowing the guards response times and capabilities.

Who said anything about a guild war?

This thread is posted in direct response to events surrounding a guild war this weekend.

My various observations in this thread are based on my military MOUT/COIN training and experience as a former infantryman in the US Army(which all grunts get). I am sorry they do not reconcile with your notions of what's actually attainable or even realistic for security forces. (let alone in the dark ages).

I've said my piece.

[Feline Prince]

There ARE bows, they just haven't been put in the game. Jeez.

Doesn't say anything about that in the 1st post.

[Draklar]

Valorius... No one's asking what is implemented.
In likewise manner, no one cares what you have to say.

And as far as I remember, after dueling you don't run away to hide all the way in Oja. You keep standing by the plaza in the most visible place possible. You're trying to make a point or just trying to be funny?

[Valorius Rageway]

Valorius... No one's asking what is implemented.
In likewise manner, no one cares what you have to say.

And as far as I remember, after dueling you don't run away to hide all the way to Oja. You keep standing by the plaza in the most visible place possible. You're trying to make a point or just trying to be funny?

If you dont care what i have to say why are you responding to my posts? Why have you devolved into petty insults? Oh, right, because arguing with someone that has a professional background in a subject you obviously know little about casts you in a poor light.

 One guard on foot and one guard tower is not an inviolable security environment, nor even close. You totally discount things like diversions, limited visibility, blindspots, deliberate obscuration, magic, etc, etc. What if i cast dazzling light at the towers occupants first? Or phantasmal voices? Or just plain arrow them to death right through the stone walls? I'll take lvl 90CW Enrg Arrow over a crossbow any day my friend. It never misses...and it goes through any armor.

PS: Characters in game do not run away because they all know that no one is coming to get them. If GMs appeared in plate armor dealing justice and death, i assure you, duelists would run after a slaying.

At any rate, since "no one cares what i say", Ciao.

Hello!

I think there is only one solution for this PvP versus Non-PvP(RPG?) discussion: create a PvP-server and a RPG-server. On the PvP-server you can have all the PvP you want and limit the PvP on the RPG-server to certain areas or conditions, such as challenges.

With kind regards
Kaityra

That would be great.

[Kaityra]

Hello!

I think there is only one solution for this PvP versus Non-PvP(RPG?) discussion: create a PvP-server and a RPG-server. On the PvP-server you can have all the PvP you want and limit the PvP on the RPG-server to certain areas or conditions, such as challenges.

With kind regards
Kaityra

[Draklar]

If you dont care what i have to say why are you responding to my posts?

Because you clutter the thread with irrelevant stuff.

This thread isn't about what is implemented and what isn't.
This thread is a question aimed at role-players, or otherwise people who know anything about it. What you posted so far works as nothing else than misleading information.