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Tuxide

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« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2008, 02:01:13 am »
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Ask her in Hydlaa "tell me about vigesimi" and she will ask if you want to know about a specific one.  When you name one, like "tell me about amidison", she has no idea what you said.

I don't know if this is true with all NPCs or specific only to her.

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« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2008, 06:33:46 am »
I'll look into that soon. Expect more info about the 20 vigesimi of the Dome to be forthcoming. For a teaser, you can go straight to the source to ask about vigesimi  :detective:

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« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2008, 04:01:25 am »
trasok  this guy knows where he is and that is about it should he not know the other merchants in town since he is the only smith in oja? I would think that he should be able to tell you where they are and what they do? also should he not know how to get to the iron mine and the coal mine? I guess all ncps should know the others that they would deal with.
also trasok talks like one of the enki he keeps callin you tabei. It just does not sound right coming from a dwarf

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« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2008, 04:16:45 am »
also trasok talks like one of the enki he keeps callin you tabei. It just does not sound right coming from a dwarf
Just writing that I confirm Trasok uses the same stock phrases that Darkmoon wrote a few ages ago.  Also, asking him to "tell me about akkaio" will get him to refer to his smithy in the third person.  Is the name of Trasok's shop called Trasok's Smithy or Master Blades?  As I recall, it has been called Trasok's Smithy ever since NPCs started talking about locations.

...since he is the only smith in oja?
Spoiler:  No he isn't.

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« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2008, 05:36:50 am »
ok but he is the only one with a forge

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« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2008, 05:43:54 am »
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I guess all ncps should know the others that they would deal with.

You're right, but not all NPCs will have the inclination to tell you about them. I'm working on a workaround that should be a good compromise, but it'll take some time. I'll keep you updated.

If you can PM me some logs regarding Trasok's calling the PC 'tabei', I'd appreciate it. I've been meaning to squash that.

To be perfectly accurate, it'd be best to say that Trasok is currently the only smith in Dsar Akkaio with an accessible public forge. That may change once the Steel Bazaar opens. :)

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« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2008, 01:59:01 am »
As brought up on another thread, Jayose should be able to talk about Arion since the two obviously know each other.

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« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2008, 05:56:32 pm »
As brought up on another thread, Jayose should be able to talk about Arion since the two obviously know each other.

Fixed pending restart.

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« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2008, 05:59:57 pm »
The smith in the tutorial should understand "right" in reply to "your name is <name>, correct?"

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« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2008, 10:15:39 pm »
can I just say something here... While I can admire the efforts of what your trying to do here, I think you guys can already see that makeing a response for  the some quajillion-billion combination of words is impossible in your lifetime. Why not integrate an freeware NLP (natural language processor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_language_processing) library into the game for use by NPC's? Combine that with some text to speech and speech to text conversion libraries and you will have the most advanced NPC's ever where people can just plug in thier mics and actually talk to the NPC's like the way it should be.

as a bonus you could also keep the sentence reconizing for quests and such too.

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« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2008, 10:19:42 pm »
If it was that easy, it would have been done by now. The problem with those is they have many words that do not fit in Yliakum, such as pizza or skyscraper.

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« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2008, 10:20:29 pm »
can I just say something here... While I can admire the efforts of what your trying to do here, I think you guys can already see that makeing a response for  the some quajillion-billion combination of words is impossible in your lifetime. Why not integrate an freeware NLP (natural language processor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_language_processing) library into the game for use by NPC's? Combine that with some text to speech and speech to text conversion libraries and you will have the most advanced NPC's ever where people can just plug in thier mics and actually talk to the NPC's like the way it should be.

as a bonus you could also keep the sentence reconizing for quests and such too.
http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=24686.0

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« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2008, 10:25:58 pm »
The fanatics in the sewers, many wont respond to the question "Where am I?"
And unlike most npcs many (not all of them) don't have a response to an incorrect entry, IE: "Sorry, what?" "I don't understand." "Try using other words."

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« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2008, 03:53:17 am »
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The fanatics in the sewers, many wont respond to the question "Where am I?"

We're aware of the situation with the fanatics. They'll get theirs in time, but most people tend not to speak with them because they'd rather just kill them. :)

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« Reply #29 on: March 01, 2008, 07:27:27 pm »
here is something I took out of my log it could be me asking the questions wrong or it is the NPC you be the Judge

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(19:26:55) Soylentshadow says: do you need help
(19:26:57) Nyshyn Klannarr says: Graa...
(19:27:02) -Nyshyn growls to herself as she brushes gently at a corroded lump of metal shrouded in dried mud. She mutters as she works.-
(19:27:08) Nyshyn Klannarr says:  I am so angry... every time I turn around it's some idiot or other making trouble that needn't exist, only to serve his own selfish idiot interests. Mikana the moron, cursed Kisatol!
(19:27:14) -Nyshyn abruptly drops the lump and kicks it, making a face as she hurts her foot in the process. She watches it roll away and curses energetically under her breath.-
(19:27:16) Nyshyn Klannarr says:  You want something from me, do you?
(19:28:09) Soylentshadow says: what do you have?
(19:28:11) Nyshyn Klannarr says: You're going to have to be more specific than that.
(19:28:27) Soylentshadow says: quest?
(19:28:29) Nyshyn Klannarr says: What do you mean?
(19:28:41) Soylentshadow says: do you have a quest for me
(19:28:43) Nyshyn Klannarr says: Give you what? Can you be more specific?
(19:29:03) Soylentshadow says: can I help you
(19:29:05) Nyshyn Klannarr says: Graa...
(19:29:10) -Nyshyn growls to herself as she brushes gently at a corroded lump of metal shrouded in dried mud. She mutters as she works.-
(19:29:16) Nyshyn Klannarr says:  I am so angry... every time I turn around it's some idiot or other making trouble that needn't exist, only to serve his own selfish idiot interests. Mikana the moron, cursed Kisatol!
(19:29:22) -Nyshyn abruptly drops the lump and kicks it, making a face as she hurts her foot in the process. She watches it roll away and curses energetically under her breath.-
(19:29:24) Nyshyn Klannarr says:  You want something from me, do you?


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