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« Reply #45 on: March 30, 2008, 01:03:16 am »
I have to apologize because I already new that such access is strictly limited to very few people. My only hope was that someone with the needed permissions might see this and schedule a few minutes to producing a list. It is, of course, a vain hope as such a list seems to be perceived as a bad idea by itself regardless of database rights because it could get out into the wrong hands. That can't happen if it doesn't exist.

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« Reply #46 on: April 19, 2008, 05:34:30 pm »
Well I just want Jomed Parcen to sell me a filleting knife

when I ask him to give me one he only says that he has one and that it cost 50 trias

that's when it gets exhausting, I tried things like "I buy it" "ok" "yes" "It's a bargain" and "I'll buy it" but nothing works, he keeps saying "waddaya say?"


help please =(

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« Reply #47 on: April 19, 2008, 05:36:59 pm »
erm..no you do /give and you give him the 50 tria and its yours...

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« Reply #48 on: April 20, 2008, 10:32:14 am »
Well I just want Jomed Parcen to sell me a filleting knife

And how should he know what you need?

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« Reply #49 on: April 20, 2008, 06:01:52 pm »
Read again -- he wrote:

1) Ootit tells Jomed he needs a filetting knife (he tells Jomed, because he does a quest)
2) Jomed tells Ootit it costs 50 tria (the quest continues)
3) Ootit has to give Jomed 50 tria (Jomed knows how to respond on receiving 50 tria, because it is now the next quest step)

Is that too complicated?

And it is not at all related to the topic of this thread... Here we are interested to know incomplete lists of responses to expectable questions, but outside any quests!
« Last Edit: April 20, 2008, 06:03:42 pm by LigH »

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« Reply #50 on: May 11, 2008, 09:45:09 pm »
I need the 10 suggestions!! I cant come up with my own questions to ask... Im a horrible interrogator  :(

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« Reply #51 on: May 12, 2008, 08:35:27 pm »
Im a horrible interrogator  :(
Maybe use a bright lamp directed right into the victims eyes?  :detective:



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« Reply #52 on: May 13, 2008, 11:35:04 am »
not 10 questions, but just that one is strange enough : Bhurral Varsheen, guard of Akkaio's door, is a trainer. However if you ask her what does she train, she tells you she is not a trainer  ::|

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« Reply #53 on: May 15, 2008, 09:35:01 am »
Greetings.

OOC:

The biggest thing for me to overcome was the sad fact that it took me an hour to get out of the Tuturial Zone. I had boggled that area so bad, I had to roll another character (not because of losing the Ore item). Apparently, because I had not updated my client since Juvember, I had to re-roll. I thought there was something outside the castle, as well, so I adventured out the castle by climbing a small hill and jumping onto the wall. But, this isn't about my zany adventure in Noobland...

NPCs that are downline of the main NPC (chained quests) they give small clues concerning your inability to interact with them.  If you have the magicial word or phrase, most NPCs with bestow gifts upon you. My whole problem with giving NPCs AI is that they tend to confuse one meaning with another. So, we don't want the NPC to hand you the Sword of a Thousand Truths because you /me sneezed at the NPC.

Ten words to live on is more than enough to get an NPC chatting in the right direction. I find that the 'wrong phrase' will trigger a ton of verbage that is very helpful, but a bit too much. Limiting the responses to no more than three sentences is keeping pace with today's gamers. I admit to being a skim reader, so I am particularly annoyed with redundancy and excess wording (unlike my reply :P).

Once you get the NPC's to respond to what is expected (Triggers), perhaps another list of 20 words might be useful in steering the unassuming questor in the right direction. I give an example of this below:

NPC: Actor 1000: Welcome to the Potion Emporium. How Can I assist you today? (Note: 2 sentences)

PLAYER: Hi. I'm looking for the Golden Key of Lost Light. (triggers: Hi (not wanted here), Golden (good trigger), Key (good trigger), Lost Light (KEY PHRASE)

NPC: Actor 1000: The Lost Light Key is hidden in the trunk at Smithy's House. Please hand this note to Smithy to proceed. Do you need any Potions Today? (3 lines)

PLAYER: Who cares about potions, I don't? (Steering Trigger: Potions)

NPC: Actor 1000: To Buy Potions or to sell items please right-click me and choose the Trade Option.
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 A worse scenario...

Player: Hi. (trigger)

NPC: Hi. My name is Abelia. Welcome to the Tutorial! Before you continue your travel to the mainland, I must be sure you are ready to go.
NPC: To my left is a Blacksmith named Neave. She is expert in teaching newcomers the art of Smithing. Please tell her, I sent you.
Player: Thank you.
NPC: You are welcome. Please see me if you need my help later. I will be here waiting on you.

(Player begins dialog with the Smithy, Neave...)

Player: Hi
NPC: Welcome weary traveller. How can I help you today?
Player: Abelia sent me. (Trigger: Abelia)

(Same interaction, different verbage...)

Player: Abelia
NPC: Yes, I know Abelia. She is over there, behind you. Have you met her yet?
Player: Yes
NPC: Good the she sent you to see me, right?
Player: yes
NPC: Good. Lets get started on the next part of your tutorial training. I will teach you how to Smith.

My point here is that every player isn't going to have the right phrase, but can be steered if other facts are true. In the examples, the NPC steered the Player because the character had already met Abelia and completed a quest. Given that 'true', it was simple to let the NPC steer without giving away secrets to passerbys or the character itself.

Anyhow...that's a step back from where you are heading, I know. It was just fustrating to have to be too specific in order to get the NPC to move the dialog forward. I spent way too much time finding the word 'ready' but to my surpise, I took less time to find the word that began with the letter 'R'.

Thanks for the time spent...

Taaka

« Last Edit: July 06, 2008, 11:38:15 pm by neko kyouran »

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« Reply #54 on: July 06, 2008, 11:23:25 pm »
Sharven doesn't know things he should which are in the new book on Laanx.
I suggest the statue of Laanx gets turned into a statue of Parallo <3. An NPC could never replace the huge hole he left in my heart when he died  :'(

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« Reply #55 on: July 07, 2008, 05:07:13 am »
Don't think it's been mentioned yet based on a search:

Without posting any spoilers, about the quest given by the NPC that can't see:
Asking the correct NPC for the first item is a little fiddly: "i need <item>" does not give a useful response, while "about <item>" does, where I think they should both produce a useful response.

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« Reply #56 on: July 07, 2008, 09:29:42 am »
@ Bragan:

The kind of issues where an NPC in a quest does not understand one or another reply, is a different topic. I am quite sure Rizin may enjoy a PM about this in detail. Adding more diverse recognised quest replies is definitely useful.

Here we rather talk about responses which are not related to quests, but to the "profession" of NPCs or a level of "common knowledge".

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« Reply #57 on: July 14, 2008, 01:34:26 am »
Little plug: it's a little nice touch that Burdess Quirain addreeses you while you pass by asking if you'd like some fish, but if you reply "no thank you" she doesnt know what you're talking about..

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« Reply #58 on: July 14, 2008, 08:10:31 am »
She doesn't understand how anyone could not want to buy fish.

One that was bugging me earlier was that I needed to get ink and paper from Jayose for a quest. So I ask for the paper, and he says it will cost 50 tiras. I hand him an octa and I get an error saying that Jayose does not want this. I guess he doesn't want to do business with me.
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« Reply #59 on: July 14, 2008, 12:49:29 pm »
She doesn't understand how anyone could not want to buy fish.

One that was bugging me earlier was that I needed to get ink and paper from Jayose for a quest. So I ask for the paper, and he says it will cost 50 tiras. I hand him an octa and I get an error saying that Jayose does not want this. I guess he doesn't want to do business with me.

not that this is related to this thread at all, but there is a bug that jayose will only take 50 TRIAS not an octa or anything else for this transaction.