Can Enkis sit on chairs?

[Draklar]

So a tail makes it awkward to sit on chair, but not on the ground? Explain?

[Kaityra]

Hello!

[diplomatic mode on]
Well, the modern Enkidukai may do as him/her pleases, sitting on chairs, take a shower (/me shivers) or even eat cooked meat (/me shivers even more). We old fashioned Enkidukai with a wild and nomad tradtion will sit on the ground, preferable with some nice soft cushions (/me purrs at the thought). We will lick ourselfs to keep us clean and we will hunt when we are hungry and eat the raw meat wherever we are.
[diplomatic mode off]

With kind regards
Kaityra

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Hello!

So a tail makes it awkward to sit on chair, but not on the ground? Explain?

Hmmm, let's have a look at the animation of the male and female Endikukai sitting. I'm not sure about the male one at the moment although I think it is more leaning to one side. The female is sitting on her heels. Either way they are not sitting on their tail bones. Both methods of sitting are a little bit awkward when done on a chair.

With kind regards
Kaityra

[ No double-posting please. --Karyuu ]

[Irick]

So a tail makes it awkward to sit on chair, but not on the ground? Explain?

well, first off, the tavern chairs have this big triangular part of their backing, which i keep envisioning wedging my character's tail uncomfortably if he sits down "normally" in one of the chairs. then there is the fact there is a backing at all. i think for an Enki to sit in a chair comfortably they would have to kinda slouch to give their tail space. Irick is all about appearances, and consiters slouching bad manors, worse then sitting on the ground. dose that about cover it?

[Cyl]

-- Edit 2, I cut the trolling out .. --

Edit: Just a little food for thought, but if Enkis couldn't sit on chairs comfortably, would they have taverns that have nothing but chairs as means of sitting?

[Draklar]

Well, the modern Enkidukai may do as him/her pleases, sitting on chairs, take a shower (/me shivers) or even eat cooked meat (/me shivers even more). We old fashioned Enkidukai with a wild and nomad tradtion will sit on the ground, preferable with some nice soft cushions (/me purrs at the thought). We will lick ourselfs to keep us clean and we will hunt when we are hungry and eat the raw meat wherever we are.

You don't bathe, only lick yourself and additionally eat raw meat... Do you realise Enkidukai have similar metabolism to that of humans? How come your character is still alive? And think of all the parasites...

Hmmm, let's have a look at the animation of the male and female Endikukai sitting. I'm not sure about the male one at the moment although I think it is more leaning to one side. The female is sitting on her heels. Either way they are not sitting on their tail bones. Both methods of sitting are a little bit awkward when done on a chair.

Ah, so I assume Ynnwns don't know how to sit in any other way than kneeling?

@Irick: Is your char really that fragile? I don't see what's the problem with wrapping a tail to side or even up front. Does pressing his back against the chair hurt him too? :P

[Kaityra]

Hello!

@Draklar

Well, it seems that you don't even try to understand what others write, do you? The animations I have mentioned were an example of how sitting on the floor is different from sitting in a chair.
It seems that there are different approaches to play the Enkidukai race. You can play them like humans with some catlike features or you can play them like cats with a humanoid form. I don't have a problem with either approach. I have chosen the cat-approach for Kaityra and I really enjoy it. And as every other cat Kaityra does not have the same problems with parasites as humans have because she is just more resilient.
I want to suggest an experiment. Take a short stick of about 5-10cm. Hold that stick to your tail bone so that it is a natural extension of your lower back. Try to sit in a chair with it as humans do and you will see the problem.

With kind regards
Kaityra

[Iridena]

@Draklar that is correct. I don't remember how male ynnwns sit but female ynnwns kneel, unless you roleplay it differently. Anyway I forgot Enkis were nomadic, but I don't see how that would affect the tavern, its the center of the town(for now). It would make sense that it should match Ojaveda's culture. My question - it was actually just an observation but I forgot a tavern would also be a travellers first destination, so it would need to accomodate everyone.

@Cyl I've only seen one tavern, besides what about all the pillows and rugs in the tents, why don't they have chairs, can't be too hard to carry chairs?
By the way, your signatures cute, what is a fluff?

Being a non-enki, I have no idea about the tail and sitting, I would imagine a little space for the tail would make it easier for them.

[Draklar]

So now we're comparing tails to stiff sticks? Okay, I give up :P

[Irick]

@Irick: Is your char really that fragile? I don't see what's the problem with wrapping a tail to side or even up front. Does pressing his back against the chair hurt him too?

let me put it this way, again, he can sit in a chair, but he choices not to because it causes unnecessary irritation, which in turn causes distraction, and in his training distraction = bad. as for the "wrapping a tail" comment, while it dose not seem like it takes much movement, if the feline build can be in any way reflective to the bone structure  of the enki, you would be trying to bend the three bones at the base section of the tail around 130 degrees to either side just to get around the triangle even if your character is slouched, more [around 180] if you wanted your character to sit with his back against the seat. plain and simple, chairs are not made for tails. Enki _CAN_ use them but mine dose not _want_ to.

[Kaityra]

Hello!

So now we're comparing tails to stiff sticks? Okay, I give up

I knew that this would be the answer. No, tails are not stiff sticks or I would have told you to get some broomstick. But the part of the tail we are talking about (the one near the pelvis) is quite stiff because it contains fairly big bones compared to the rest of the tail. So the short stick was just an approximation.

With kind regards
Kaityra

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Hello!

@Iridena

By the way, your signatures cute, what is a fluff?

"Fluff" is usually the bakcground story for a character. It is called fluff because it is in addition and has no technical meaning in a MMO(RP)G. For roleplaying it might be the most important part though.

In regard to tails I wanted to add that I like to use the tail to express the mood, e.g. I let it flip back and forth if being nervous. Sitting in a chair with a backrest the tail has to remain fairly still because there isn't much room to move it. Most movement of the tail are not done consiously but happen automatically. Having to keep the tail in one position for a longer period can be very strenuous, at least mentally of not physically.

With kind regards
Kaityra

[ No double-posting please. --Karyuu ]

[Draklar]

[Kaityra]

Hello!

Ah, photos of evidence.

As you can see, the first cat is sitting sideways on the chair as I have proposed in one of my earlier posts.
The second cat is sitting on the chair like it would sit on the ground. It leans forward using its front legs for support. It does not sit erect like a human would.
And btw. Enkidukai would have larger tail bones than house cats. The tail of an Enkiduaki wouldn't be as flexible at the base.

With kind regards
Kaityra

[Karyuu]

I'm going to make this very clear, as a developer - Enkidukai have no problems sitting in human chairs. I don't know what you guys are arguing about, but if you want an official answer, there it is.

[Kaityra]

Hello!

I'm going to make this very clear, as a developer - Enkidukai have no problems sitting in human chairs. I don't know what you guys are arguing about, but if you want an official answer, there it is.

Well, actually we cannot argue about it as the Enkidukai are a fictional race. As already mentioned I have chosen the cat-approach to play an Enkidukai. I was just explaining why with this approach my character behaves like she does. I hope that the races are set openly enough to allow different approaches.

Btw. where is the animation for sitting in a chair? 

With kind regards
Kaityra

[Karyuu]

There is no such animation yet because we have no system in place to detect where you are sitting at the moment.

I hope that the races are set openly enough to allow different approaches.

Every race has their culture, history, and behavioral patterns. You are welcome to play outside of them, as long as you understand that your character is then not the norm of that race.