Ideas about food and cooking

[Unnamed_Source]

1. There's this console game called Fable. In it ,the hero(you) can eat for hp and certain stats. The best feature though, was the ability to gain weight by eating fatty foods, the appearance of the character would go from a lean muscular hero type, to Jabba the Hutt with legs. Now this would require addiotnal skins for each race but wouldn't it be just perfect seeing fatties running around the plaza, with a jiggle here and a wabble there for each step.

2. OK, Krans are rock people, so their diets consist or raw minerals. That being said, if they consume vegetable matter, especially the kind with a high sugar content, and if they held it in for a couple of weeks, would they pee out 110% proof booze? Like vodka or Rum, distilled and aged in glass bottles. Cause if that's the case, I must say, a Kran could become a drunks(dwarfs) best friend.

3. I think we should be able to throw food, especially any type of cream pies that we might bake. I think there should be animation like that arrow spell, of the pie being flung from out hand, smacking our target right in the face. Afterwards, like a helmet, the goop of filling and crust should adorn the targets head and face for a few minutes. We should be able to wield bread, bagget type long crusty bread  and smack others ofre the head with, with no damage and seeing the bread break in half instantly. We should be able to do it to anyone with out a duel acceptance.

4.Food should have a negative affect. If we eat old food or raw meat, we might get poisoned. Unless it's food prepered for travel, most of it should not keep well in our inventory for long. Salted, picked and oteher ways to perseve food should be fine and keep well in our packs. But fresh or the kind that would really affect us, like our stats, should not even leave the residence where it was made.

5. We should have utensils like we have for smithing, a pot/pan, tongs/spatula, knife/fork.

6. I think we should eat in portions, we should not eat a whole pie or a roast pig in one sitting, But leverage it out to a bit at a time, a sice of pie or a few  pork(Tefusang) ribs

7. I think if we are forced to eat, then me should be made to deficate as well. Keeping it to a G rating by just visit a room with a lou, toilet, whole in the floor in it and staying till you get a message of satifaction. Having this would make individuals not only gorge themselves every time their stats go down but also take the time to make room in there. Stuck in the wilderness, break out your trusty rock pick and "/dig hole". But it would be funny to make people sit while they're doing thier business. Not so much in the public restrooms but out in the wilderness, so you would ponder as you pass by, if someone is sitting down to regenerate their stamina after a long run or they're there squeezing for all their might. I can just hear the newbies now, " What's wrong, my stats are low they don't regenerate fast like they used to? Someone told me I should eat but I keep getting the message that I am full." Answer: "have you gone to the bathroom yet?"

[Feline Prince]

It would be very disturbing for good RPers, who talk more than actualy use game features.

surely having to eat IS good RP and therefore having a method of feeding yourself is also good RP. A deeper food system such as being discussed obviously can't be implemented until there are enough skills to satisfy many more types of character which can be used to obtain money.

[Maju]

It would be very disturbing for good RPers, who talk more than actualy use game features. And everone mine fight in higher or smaller degree.

They should make pauses to eat. How much does a Yilakum day last? 1 hour? Two? needing to eat half a pound of food once in such period (more or less) is not that much. A kilo lasts you for 4 days or more. Is not that much weight after all.

I believe it is where we need food. If you want to perform tought physical activities, you would have to eat and drink or you would be very ineffective.

You would eventually die, specially without water.

These activties would include mining, fighting and crafting and alike.
You look to your stats window for eighter bar visualisation or words visualisation of the state you are in. Hungry? Thirsty? Better have a dinner, before you go fighting or to a mine, or you are going to be inneffective and start starvating, i which case you probably can do nothing constructive besides thinking how great it would be to eat that dinner

Xactly. That's quite realistic, in fact. Nevertheless, I'd suggest that water could be picked from different sources (fountains, rivers, lakes), as happens in reality too. You would just need a bottle or skin to carry it.

Everything considered food or drink would gain two factors invisible to player. Tow much food energy it consists and how much water, the two factors.

Keep it simple. But calories and (effective) water would be these factors. They don't have to be invisible... or they could be know via dietary books in the library, maybe.

A juice will have a lot more water, but not 100%, while bread has a lot of water inside too, fresh over 50% i think of total mass.

Nah. For practical terms bread has zero water... just try to calm your thirst eaing bread and you'll find out. Fruit instead has lots of water. I'd give fruit mostly a watery factor (few calories) and beer too. But liquor would have only a small caloric factor (you end expelling the little water it contains because of body hostile reaction to alcohol). Liquor and beer should also cause dizziness, dminishing mental and eventually physical abilities for a time.

While there is also special kind of food prepared specially for journeys when the amount is as small as possible to decrease the used space. (forgot its name).

Sandwich? 

Maybe later in different climates, water use may be greater than food use, like on a desert and so on.

As Yilakum is lightened by the crystal, and not directly by the Azure Sun, I guess we can ignore that. But some areas may contain no springs, rivers or lakes what would force you to carry your water with you.

[Nikodemus]

surely having to eat IS good RP and therefore having a method of feeding yourself is also good RP. A deeper food system such as being discussed obviously can't be implemented until there are enough skills to satisfy many more types of character which can be used to obtain money.

I were talking about those who RP bartender in a tavern for instance, how the hect are they supposed to gather enough money to not starve?. I'm talking about all technical aspects needed to prepare RP, which takes in-game time. While mining, mob killing and similiar is so automatic, that you are milionaire in no time.
Noone stops your from eating, noone can really know if you did or not (no animation, noone will look to your inventory if the food you ate is there). RP that and eat stuff if you want. But encouraging activities, which more about PL than RP isn't a good idea.

If we had a game full of 100% RPers, then i wouldn't write about that, but we don't. Because of this i believe that from a world where we don't eat at all, we move to a world, where we eat only when trying tought activities, is a nice idea. Thats a good step forward i think.

Maju ;o You are lacking some basic knowledge.

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you are messing up the time, please don't. You are at wrong approach, i can't discuss anyway, as it's something noone can really know and so can't  be any sort of argment.

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read my third paragraph of this post, please.

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Um yeah, although i'm not sure how you can agree with it so completly, but be negative to other parts of my post.

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This is simple, no more no less than what you propose. And i see no reason why people shouldn't makehave eg books, where they write their experiences about different kinds of food.

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You are wrong. I try it all the time and i know if i had a fresh bread and 2l of water a day, I'd choose it over a bread with 0% water (impossible, but whatever) and 2l of water. No, not because fresh bread is more tasty.

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no
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Eh, what?

[Feline Prince]

about the bread being good for thirst... It really depends on the salt and sugar levels in the bread compared to the water level.

[Maju]

If we had a game full of 100% RPers, then i wouldn't write about that, but we don't. Because of this i believe that from a world where we don't eat at all, we move to a world, where we eat only when trying tought activities, is a nice idea. Thats a good step forward i think.

I strongly disagree: after eating, specially after eating heavily, you need to rest because your body uses its resources for digestion. That's why we feel somnolence after eating and in many countries they take a nap. Food=strength is not any good equation in any case: excessive food makes you heavy and fatty, less able to do any sort of work, at least physical ones.

Food is a matter of survival basically: if you don't eat enough you weaken and eventually die... but eating more dosn't give you superpowers. Not at all.

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Do you mind quoting my words? It's very complicated to figure out what you are refering to, really.

... you are messing up the time, please don't. You are at wrong approach, i can't discuss anyway, as it's something noone can really know and so can't  be any sort of argment.

Sorry, but I really don't understand a word of what you said. Measuring how much a Yilakum day lasts in real time shouldn't be so difficult in any case.

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read my third paragraph of this post, please.

Your third paragraph reads "Maju ;o You are lacking some basic knowledge". What does that mean? 

I insist: if you don't drink in two days or so, you just die. It's realistic. You need provisions to survive. You would not need provisions in the dead realm and you would get out of it with full food stats anyhow, just for the sake of clarity.

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Um yeah, although i'm not sure how you can agree with it so completly, but be negative to other parts of my post.

This was about picking water from different sources... if I'm not wrong.

I guess I can agree with you in some aspects and not in others. I'm for realism, and this is realistic. I'm for simplicity, and this is simple.

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This is simple, no more no less than what you propose. And i see no reason why people shouldn't makehave eg books, where they write their experiences about different kinds of food.

Me neither... but this vital info (caloric value of foods) should be available easily to all newbies. We don't want them starving to death just out of ignorance right? So it should be in the guides if this is ever implemented.

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You are wrong. I try it all the time and i know if i had a fresh bread and 2l of water a day, I'd choose it over a bread with 0% water (impossible, but whatever) and 2l of water. No, not because fresh bread is more tasty.

bread doesn't calm thirst. In fact it makes you more thirsty. It's a fact. Also I lived with a physician specialized in nutrition for several years and I think I know what I'm talking about. Solid foods require water, do not give it, exception made of fruits and many vegetables, that are about 80-90% water themselves.

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no

Snack bar, dried meat, pizza? It seems that roman legionaries lived on a base of pizza... but they cooked it at their camps. Snack bars did not exist in medieval times. Dried meat, hard cheese, accompanied with bread and maybe some other stuff (nuts...) was surely what people on journey ate. That's why I suggested "sandwich", as the likely answer. It was more than just a joke.

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Eh, what?

That, according to my knowledge of Yilakum, sunlight is not strong enough as to create things like the Sahara. It's more like an underground artificial climate... But it may be possible that some regions are arid enough as not to have any springs, streams or lakes (just rock, rock and rock)... making it necessary to carry enough water... or die.

[Nikodemus]

I say one and you another, while you don't understand what i were trying to say. Eh, I could guide you and exlain things through page of this thread, but unfortunately i find it boring, while trashing the topic at the same time. Best what you can do is read what people write around and see how much you are wrong in different aspects. Not all, but enough that i can't continue discussing.
Maybe i was hard to understand, but you are hard to discuss with, so I wrote what i wrote.
quote 1 quote 2 i hate when people quote on single phrases, so that after 5 posts of discussion you have 10 pages long posts.

Some think you separate paragraph by two enters and some that by one enter. Yeah, you got it the other way than i meant, maybe this can help you. Ok, i can quote it, with hope i won't start quote war.

If we had a game full of 100% RPers, then i wouldn't write about that, but we don't. Because of this i believe that from a world where we don't eat at all, we move to a world, where we eat only when trying tought activities, is a nice idea. Thats a good step forward i think.

"dried meat" ! as one example.

As about your Yliakum knowledge, it is invalid.

[Maju]

I don't like your authoritarian style of discussing. So excuse me if I don't continue. 

[Roderyck Slywolfe]

Ok, I'm going to add my OPINION to this discussion.

I am a RL chef, and this is how I would like see food in a game like PS:

1. Food has to be prepped before it is cooked, so there should be a prep area to combine ingredients before it is cooked. There should also be an oven and a stove top, so different types of food can be created.

2. Food should not be used to heal damage (HP). Instead, it should be eaten to regain stamina, both mental and physical. Some foods high in protein, like steak, assist in regaining physical stamina. Other foods, like ginseng, for example, are purportedly good in aiding in recovery of mental stamina.

3. That being said, I'd like to see Phys. and Men. Stamina decrease much slower and increase even slower. After long runs (perhaps from Hydlaa to Oja and back) shouldn't totally deplete your Phys. Stamina (say 80%), and you should regain it at a much slower pace (similar to HP now) than you spent it. Food would add to your Phys. Stamina when eaten. This effectively gives serious purpose to food in-game. The better the food, the more stamina the player would gain.

This would make cooking an interesting and very valuable trade. After all, none of us would be alive without food. 

[Unnamed_Source]

1. Food has to be prepped before it is cooked, so there should be a prep area to combine ingredients before it is cooked. There should also be an oven and a stove top, so different types of food can be created.

Like the opposite of smithing, where you first assemble it on the table before you take it to the oven and beat it with a hammer ... or dunk it in a trough of house dressing..