The Gods Must be Crazy!

[Roderyck Slywolfe]

While I respect that a balanced economy is important, reducing the gold is devastating to the economy. With a system in place for so long that allowed ranking up and stimulated the player-made item market being altered so drastically, the entire economy, instead of being balanced, will crash.

Crafters will slow down their production or even have no need to make their wares at the current rate, due to a lack of buyers. To reduce gold truly isn't the problem. It's not making up for the loss in other areas. A real world economy would suffer a huge blow and have people moving out of the now depressed area unless income could be found in other markets. (This would equate to people losing interest and quitting.)

What I suggest is increasing the amount of tria awarded in other areas. Primarily, I suggest the following areas:

1. Quests...DEFINITELY quests. What better way to encourage questing? I, personally, have been disappointed with some of the tria awards from quests. I could have just as easily sat in one place and fought a trepor for its organs and made more with MUCH less effort.

2. MOB loot is not proportionate to the PP gained without gold as it was. So, MOB's now need more loot in the form of tria to balance the loss.

3. Other minerals. If there ever was a demand for a coal or iron miner, it would have happened already. With the value of other minerals remaining the same, it remains a useless market.

4. Glyph or magic item crafting. I know this is a stretch developmentally, but to increase the player value of materials such as animal parts , mushrooms, etc., it would be nice to see them used as material components to making such items.

I have not mentioned the imbalance between veterans and new players simply because there is no need. I believe the concern here was that gold was too prominant as a source of income. The task at hand is spreading the lost income around to create a better balanced income. If that is accomplished, then new players will have no problem ranking up as others did in the past.

I speak from 29 years of D&D and other RP experience, so I hope this isn't simply dismissed as a complaint, as it is not meant as such.

Thank you.

[Aerianna Kzin]

I also agree. not only is it annyoing to mine for hours and get like 4 pices, but now you also have to keep stopping to rest because your brain apparently can't handle all the work it takes to swing your pick and therfore your waiting for you mental stamina to keep up with all the failed messages.

[Coneitic]

i think mining should be restricted to certain classes.

[Jeraphon]

i think mining should be restricted to certain classes.

In a classless game?

[Coneitic]

sorry races.

forgot people get their jollys off correcting others =)

[bilbous]

I'm wondering if they bumped up the silver mining rate and just nobody has noticed because they are fixated on gold. I haven't tried it myself but maybe I will.

[Roderyck Slywolfe]

So...

I guess I have been misinterpretted by the powers-that-be.

This was intended to open a discussion about the balance of the state of the economy.

I hope this isn't simply dismissed as a complaint, as it is not meant as such.

So, now, instead of it being a discussion, it's been transformed into a complaint topic.

Most disappointing...

[saladasalad]

I'm wondering if they bumped up the silver mining rate and just nobody has noticed because they are fixated on gold. I haven't tried it myself but maybe I will.

Gold fever 

Silver and iron are the way to go now for less experienced miners. I imagine gold would still be more profitable for highly experienced miners but I'm not really sure. Maybe instead of whining so much, some people should state exactly how this change has effected them and and how they have tried to change their game to compensate.

[Roderyck Slywolfe]

Maybe instead of whining so much, some people should state exactly how this change has effected them and and how they have tried to change their game to compensate.

No whining here, that's why I am unhappy about this topic being moved. I already have a replacement strategy, I'll keep you posted. 

[Seytra]

i think mining should be restricted to certain classes.

To which races, and why? We don't have pixies in PS, which is about the only race I'd see a reason for prohibiting mining to.

[neko kyouran]

@Roderyck Slywolfe:   Complaints aren't always negative in nature like "omg why did you change the gold prices.  now the game world is going to end !!11one2" would be.  All depends on how it is worded really, and nice discussions can and have followed from threads started in this section.

The complaint forum area isn't to be thought of "oh, is another complaint.  yawn.  someones peeved about the world and how they don't think things aren't fair for them."  it is a section for people to voice their concerns with the game and each thread is looked upon with a serious attitude, so as the original post is posted as the correct manner so that the post is merely more than what I stated above. 

Take your time to write out a nice, well thought thread discussing your concerns and views and the game, and those posts are treated with respect and time is taken to answer them.

Unfortunately, not all forum members will probably do that, but at least everyone on the dev and mod staff will.

[Coneitic]

i think mining should be restricted to certain classes.

To which races, and why? We don't have pixies in PS, which is about the only race I'd see a reason for prohibiting mining to.

maybe not so much prohibit but maybe make it so a female demo or a male demo couldnt max mining like a dwarf or say a kran.

[Seytra]

If we start doing this, then we'll need to evaluate more or less all skills in this manner, resulting in slightly different maxes for each race / skill combo. In fact, I am more inclined to claim that Kran might not be able to max daggers or stealth-related skills, for example. Not to mention that only the Stonebreakers are into mining, while the Hammerwielders are more into fighting, so not even "race=dwarf" means this much.
Additionally, making a distinction between genders isn't a good idea, and is in fact avoided in almost all games. Also, it would mean that each race would require the full list of skills / maxes in it's description, while ATM there's only the really important things like Kran / magic restrictions listed (and not even this is implemented yet!).

It might be slightly more realistic, but I'm not convinced that it'll be worth the additional effort.

[Coneitic]

thats why i added maybe. the whole time. and sometimes gender does play an issue in games, just so you know... not to sound like an ass.... in dark age of camelot only females can play a race called valkyries. they are extremely hard to kill in pvp. something about them being a woman and can only learn the ways of a female class..i dunno its in another realms. theres 3 realms in this game all 3 realms got 8 different classes and races. but besides that.

i think your right about different races having limited skills in area's. i always thought thats the first thought in making a race. makes more sense.

[Roderyck Slywolfe]

@Roderyck Slywolfe:   Complaints aren't always negative in nature like "omg why did you change the gold prices.  now the game world is going to end !!11one2" would be.  All depends on how it is worded really, and nice discussions can and have followed from threads started in this section.
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Unfortunately, not all forum members will probably do that, but at least everyone on the dev and mod staff will.

Fair enough. I just wanted it to stay a DISCUSSION, without the complaining.

As far as I can tell, and I am a bit new to PS (but a seasoned RP vet) the ratio of PP to tria may be a bit imbalanced. I currently have 1200 PP and 4500t, and that is with supplemental gold income!

In the current state, I will never be able to use all my PP, since I'll be gaining PP as I gain tria. That's the imbalance that I see.

In my opinion, it should be the other way around. Tria should be in surplus.