Religion.

[Duraza]

Hai, very not true - http://www.planeshift.it/history.html

Bringing up the history doesn't help  I believe that happened before most of us and it says that the gods no longer interact with us like that.

nobody in the game has seen first hand there really are gods.

Not true.

Yeah its not true necessarily. Who knows what events have happened in the past so the gods could have once before interacted with a players.

[Pale]

Oops, fair point Though I'm sure after munching some of those Lake Mushrooms I saw Laanx explaining his/her transgenderism

[Waylander]

my point was, to sum it up for you draklar.

people who believe and worship would be more inclined to move to this big city where they can visit the temple daily and pay tribute. therefore the city would most likely be full of believers.

whereas people who did not believe and thought it was all... say a scam.. would want to get away from hydlaa, and its people. they stay away from the temple.

besides "Knowing the gods exist" is an OOC thing. believing they exist is IC.

nobody in the game has seen first hand there really are gods. so how is athiesm so wrong?

Good point.

They would want to get away from the temple, many would stay because of their lives.

It's not wrong.  Atheists would just generally be laughed at, asked how the temple of Talad was made, and then laughed at some more when they can't answer.

And the games have been away from some time.  This may actually be true, Duraza, we don't know how long they've been gone.  Atleast for Talad and Laanx.
Black Flame worshippers could have seen their god if they were in kadaikos.


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The main point is not to denounce Atheism completely, though I think we should, it's to point out that there are way too many of them.  The gods do care about who worships them, Talad built that temple because too many people turned to Laanx, so, up until they left, they'd be keeping an eye on atheism.

[Coneitic]

ya your giving history, im talking about the players in game now. unless you played with laanx or talad, or seen one of them appear and do something incredible noone has seen first hand what has happened.

they may have once interacted with the people, like laanx chilled with he lemurs but that was long ago, you say yliakum is 750 years old and the gods no longer interact with us, they are gone, the way i see it is, unless the majority of people playing have seen the gods, and watched them perform miracles then it all relies  on faith and athiesim is just as rational as anything else.


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lol for once we agree it seems waylander.

and not to be picky but doesnt the black flame represent laanx soul? so the followers of that would follow laanx? thats what the settings say.

[Waylander]

We agreed on most things, still on opposite sides of the argument though

They probably haven't been gone that long, and though it is history, it does give them a certain personality, they both want worshipers, we know this.  So, up until they left, which I imagine wasn't so long ago, they'd been keeping an eye on atheism.  Most people would be very religious, and very few, if any, would be athiest.

Black Flame is it's own god that tricked the people of Kadaikos into believing it was the soul of Laanx.

[zanzibar]

The gods have made personal appearances in-game since the release of CB.

[Karyuu]

The point is that they shouldn't have. The people impersonating Laanx and Talad were not aware of the gods actually being away.

[zanzibar]

The point is that they shouldn't have. The people impersonating Laanx and Talad were not aware of the gods actually being away.

Well it's too late now!   And that's not the point.  That's your point.  One among many.  So there!

[Karyuu]

That's a point from Luca. And it's not too late - previous roleplays may continuously need to be changed as Settings advances.

[zanzibar]

That's a point from Luca. And it's not too late - previous roleplays may continuously need to be changed as Settings advances.

Good luck with that.

[Draklar]

people who believe and worship would be more inclined to move to this big city where they can visit the temple daily and pay tribute. therefore the city would most likely be full of believers.

whereas people who did not believe and thought it was all... say a scam.. would want to get away from hydlaa, and its people. they stay away from the temple.

Yes, because it's not like, you know, people need money to move into bigger cities. It's totally okay for a peasant to move out from rural areas despite that even there he has troubles with making a living. And those who do live in big cities, certainly have lots of time to pray to gods. It's not like making a living in a big city requires earning much more money, right? Surely city inhabitants have so much time that they spend entire days within the temples!

See, now here's funny thing. What you said there is based on assuption that your assumption is true. You grasp the paradox?
If people in cities are more faithful, then what you say may be true.
If they aren't, then what you say is false. Why? Because if people in rural areas are more faithful, then people annoyed with religion wouldn't wish to go to a small traditionalist society, where not praying everyday is seen as something mighty odd.
Now the only support for what you say is that temples make such a big difference. Will a rich merchant who is too busy for religion move away to a village, automatically giving himself loss on his strategic merchant position in one of the biggest cities in Yliakum? Hell no. Are the only inhabitants of the rural areas Diaboli? Hell no again.
In fact, how would anyone try to escape from religion if religion is everywhere? You'd have to shelter yourself from all the people, not just move out to the rural areas.

Now another point. You heard of Plato's allegory of the cave? What happens when a prisoner is set free? Does he escape to cut himself free from the other prisoners? No, he comes back and tries to free them. If someone gets free from the grasp of religion, he won't try to escape, but rather show the religious people his new way.

And if there are gods, that means there are proofs that gods exist. And if there are proofs, science is okay with them. If science is okay with them, then there's no space for doubt.

[Coneitic]

sounds like your turning a personal battle into a forum battle.

[Draklar]

You can't really call it battle. I mean, I already won. Now it's all about taking out the unfortunate survivors.

[zanzibar]

You can't really call it battle.

This is true.  I prefer calling it "Draklar doing his thang".

[Mordraugion]

I think that's enough of the insults and off topic comments either post constructively or not at all please