Who's on First?

[Under the moon]

>What is the guy's name who rules the First Level?

-No, What is the name of the guy who rules the Second Level.

>Who rules the Second Level? I don't know.

-Who rules the First Level.

>I just asked you! The guy's name one the First Level is what?

-That is not what I said. Who is on the First Level.

>How in Talad's nostrals am I supposed to know?! You tell me who is on the First Level.

-Yes.

>Yes what?

-No, What is the name of the guy on the Second Level.

>I don't care! I only care who rules on the First Level!

-That is a good thing to know. Who is a good leader.

>How am I supposed to know who is a good leader if I don't know his name?

-But you just said his name.

>When?

-Who. When? She rules the Fourth Level.

*Ba Dum bum pshhh*

[Karyuu]

People, start making sense please.

[Radiant Memphis]

Good old Abbot and Costello...
Who is on First...original.
Thanks for the Plainshift version U.T.M. 

[Under the moon]

The 'making sense' version:

There is no easy way to find out the names of who rules any of the Levels, which is general knowledge that all characters should know without having to look it up in the game, or ask an NPC. That should all be included in the player guide Settings section under government, outside the game. They don't need personalities or backstories. Just eight names. Details can be added later, and more detailed personalities can be gleaned from talking to NPCs about them.

[Jeraphon]

Currently you can discover the name of the Octarch of the First Level (aka the Dome) - and if you had asked any npc who the octarch was, they could tell you:

Iragdun Salikarios. Some of them even add the middle name: Medio.

This would have been a great topic if you put it in "What the settings team needs from you" when we made a thread dedicated asking people what stuff you want to know.

[Under the moon]

True, it could have been put there, but it would not have been as amusing, and I was in a 'funny' mood.

The point was not to be insulting. Sorry if you saw it as such.

But since we are on the subject, you mentioned that the first level is also known as the Dome (yes, I knew that). This would also be common knowledge that you would not have to ask someone about in the game. Your character would just know such things. Forgive me if I am wrong, but I do not believe that info can be found outside the game in an easy 'reference' manner. And if it is, there is nothing to point new players (or old) to it readily.

I'll make a post in your thread, if you wish. But the request is simple. It would be a good idea if all common knowledge aspects of the game (Rulers, names of implimented places and cities, recent history) should be listed in an out of game (or ingame) OOC reference section as it is created.

[Jeraphon]

I'll make a post in your thread, if you wish. But the request is simple. It would be a good idea if all common knowledge aspects of the game (Rulers, names of implimented places and cities, recent history) should be listed in an out of game (or ingame) OOC reference section as it is created.

Duly noted...and hey, guess what? Settings is already working on updating the settings info on the webpage, so don't think you're bringing up something we haven't thought about.

However, one must consider that the names of rulers on other levels aren't necessarily common knowledge, as not everyone follows politics. Knowing the names of the other Octarchs would be like knowing the names of (for Americans) the governors of the other states or (for Canadians) the names of the other premiers. You might know some, but you probably won't know them all unless you make it a habit of knowing.

Names of implemented places and cities: Shouldn't be too bad. The smaller the city is, and the further away from Hydlaa or Ojaveda, the less likely a person will know it. Ojavedans might know about Sarpendil, but a Hydlaan not so much. But we'll keep it in consideration.

[Farren Kutter]

Errr.... I only don't know the governors of the other states cause there is 50 fricken states There is only 8 levels, and 8 is an easy number of names to remember. Though maybe not which level each corresponds to That is easy for most people but some people might have trouble with it, which is just fine and realistic

[bilbous]

There are only 10 premiers and 3 territorial leaders in Canada and I might be able to mention 5...And I read Newspapers. Some politicians make more noise than others and it would seem unlikely for a klyro say to know the octarch of one of the underwater levels unless he had a particular reason. Also, while the NPC's you see represent the more notable inhabitants, as , clearly, they are not the sum of the population, not all of them would travel or have much interest in that knowledge.

Among the guards and other military npc's you would be more likely to get that information as army ones may have had different postings and the town ones would know who they work for.

I would say that a player character might want to start "life" knowing that and it could be something for the wiki. Indeed the wiki might have a section with the names and descriptions of all NPC's without revealing too much about their dealings. Somewhere like that might be good for the list of names that is being requested.

[Under the moon]

Since when is it your damn right to dictate just what 'common' knowledge my characters would know.

"However, one must consider that the names of rulers on other levels aren't necessarily common knowledge, as not everyone follows politics."

For your information, TWO of my characters had "Octarch as a parent." They would know this before I ever set first foot in the game. Do not rationalize character stupidity with me. If I wish to play the idiot country bumpkin who knows nothing about anything, then I will create that character, and have.

Before you go on, please read the title of this sub-forum. You want to complain about me making a valid complaint, go make your own thread.

ps, I know a condescending tone when I see it.

[Coneitic]

hey, guess what? Settings is already working on updating the settings info on the webpage

-jeraphon



also those boxes that come up when u make a new charactor, one should come up with a semi-brief explenation of the settings. Underground, the crystal, the gods and so on.. people could scroll down and read or just close if they choose.

Knowing the names of the other Octarchs would be like knowing the names of (for Americans) the governors of the other states or (for Canadians) the names of the other premiers

the governors would be the vegismi or however you spell it. the ochtarchs would be like say the bush administration. and everyone knows the names of them, for the most part.

not saying everyone would know the octarchs. just that it would be different than the governors of all 50 states

[Ralleyon]

Just my 2 cents in...

I would say that ANY inhabitant in the 8 levels should know the name of the Octarchs and some details about the other levels. Of course, not all the cities, since that depends on a character. A cartographer, be it in any city should be able to tell me almost anything - at least with regard to the level he's on.

On another note, to justify why one would be so in-tune with the politics: The Vigesimi and other people in the ruling part might not be so well known being so many, but (unlike the real examples given here - about USA and Canada), the Octarchs are chosen for life. In such a loooong time and only 8 levels, I would say it's almost impossible not to know them at least by name.

There is such a thing as general common knowledge which any NPC should be able to respond, and there are other areas of course, more specific, which give each of them their special story, personality, etc. But I'm already on another track with that

[bilbous]

Well one thing I think should be noted is that, obviously, your character cannot know something in context something that has not been decided yet in development. Certainly settings could give in to your demand for the information by whipping up some randomly generated names but there is no guarantee that when they get created they will be as previously noted. Actually that character creation choice should be removed but until then I think I'll create a couple thousand children of octarch's, power can be such an aphrodisiac don't you know. I wonder if there is a difference between acknowledged children and casual by-blows.... Surely octarch's have the Royal Perogative! Isn't it a great honor to be summoned to the octarchal bed and to produce an octarchal heir?

[Under the moon]

bilbous:

It would be a good idea if all common knowledge aspects of the game (Rulers, names of implimented places and cities, recent history) should be listed in an out of game (or ingame) OOC reference section as it is created.

The only way to find out who Iragdun Salikarios is is to talk to an NPC. That information needs to be put in a government section. As for the other 'realistic to not know who the leaders are' argument, no, it is not. Many people I know could name off all the current capitals of both the US States and world cuntries, before they were 12.

Yes, a wiki type settup would be ok, but I looked there and found only the player guide and some languages, which I actually see as less important than common knowledge. An ingame OOC section in the help menu would be a good addition.

Sorry for blowing my top in that last post. I was not in a good place, and do not like being told what my character's personalities should be.

[bilbous]

Fair enough, one question though: It is a wiki, did you create the page you want and post the info for others or is that disabled for PSWiki?