Why don't you earn some money on this forum?

[Karyuu]

Why would we hire someone? This will always be a volunteer project - it's unfair to pay some devs but not others, so no one is getting anything unless everyone is. And then what about casual contributors? How much do they get? You run into all sorts of complications. Truly, we are fine as we are now, with no money involved for development.

[saladasalad]

Why would we hire someone? This will always be a volunteer project - it's unfair to pay some devs but not others, so no one is getting anything unless everyone is. And then what about casual contributors? How much do they get? You run into all sorts of complications. Truly, we are fine as we are now, with no money involved for development.

I was thinking more about someone who had no interest in the project and wouldn't mind doing jobs that volunteers wouldn't be so keen to do. But yeah, I wasn't really thinking about how that might affect the other contributors and it probably would cause more complications that than problems solved. But still... the npo must have some need for cashflow. Domain registration? Advertising? Forums? If not, what happens to the donations?

[acraig]

Well, I needed some online 'space' anyways so I use hydlaa.com as my personal email address now as well so I don't mind paying the hosting fees there.  It's only when I would have to pay something that I would look on my credit card bill and wonder "What the hell is that?" that I would be concerned about.   

One thing that might be cool is PS t-shirts or mugs or something

[Coneitic]

you get a donation for say 50 dollars. you split that between all the devs.

you make 100 dollars a month in advertising. you split that between all the devs.

you hire mercenaries who really know a certain problem that you cant figure out. bugs that have been there for a long time that you cant seem to work out.

whats so wrong with that?

like PVP. dark age of Camelot has almost perfected MMO PVP. pitch them a few bucks for advice and guidance with pvp.

takes money to make money =)

also its said that alot of work is done on weekends. this ties up devs free time i bet. you know. its hard to turn down things like dates and get togethers with the excuse "im working on my mmo"

might make things go smoother if they were getting a little dough for their work. the money opportunity is all around you guys. especially with this amount of players. maybe you guys should look into a financial advisor.

[neko kyouran]

you don't seem to understand that they aren't in it to make money. 

[Coneitic]

so they are going to turn down the money? you make a free finished game with all the goals it has planned.

there will be tons of money involved. and none of it will come from players. or banners in game. or adds in game. 


you say they arent in it to make money (which i really dont believe).

but would they turn down money? like i said theres already money all around for this game. that wont interfere with the game.

if a dev said they dont want money for this game then i will truly believe they are lying.

[Karyuu]

I'm not interested in involving money - players will get all sorts of weird ideas that because we'd be getting something out of this, they are "owed" things :]

Nonsense.

Stop trying to start an argument here, Coneitic.

[neko kyouran]

believe it or not, the self satisfaction felling of building a world from scratch means a lot to some people. 

think of this game as a hobby.  you don't get to expect to get paid for whatever hobby you may have do you?

[saladasalad]

Non-profit organisation

[Coneitic]

many people build their careers out of hobbys.

players will get all sorts of weird ideas that because we'd be getting something out of this, they are "owed" things

what are you talking about?

if they were paying to play then ya they would be "owed" some things.

if your stating that you would turn down money that wouldnt disrupt the game then you are blatently lying.

plus i think this is a subject for say talad or a more down to earth dev to respond to. not a player or a forum moderator or a doodler to respond to. so i'll stop speaking on this. =)

no arguement anymore.

[Karyuu]

What is a more "down to earth dev"? What I have posted was previously said many times by Luca, sillyhead. Check out the link saladasalad posted about non-profit organizations - you may actually learn something today.

Besides, it's bad form to call someone a liar just because you can't possibly imagine them not working on something for money. Don't you think?

[Reyna Kaviri]

Have you never felt that feeling of great accomplishment after you see what you have created? I know its kinda deep, but it feels great. I doubt there is a person here who has not felt it. THAT is why PS staff are doing this as a hobby. I bet you any dev can tell you that when they log in and see this game they have made from nothing, they get that same feeling.

Plus, im sure you can get more out of someone when they work on their own time then under a deadline.

[Coneitic]

Money doesnt create a deadline. you guys are not listening

im not saying your working for money persay. tho i truly think thats the whole point of the game.

im saying if people give you money for the work you've already done. and you say i dont want that. your lying.

its not about salaries or money for stuff added. its about that you can recieve money. say as a reward for work already done.

like you build a car model you bought from walmart. someone who loves cars says wow heres 5 bucks you did a great job.

lemme know when you finish the next one and i'll spot you another 5. i love the car so much i'll pay just to see more.

theres no obligation. if you dont make another you dont have to. theres no deadline

[Karyuu]

Heheh, that's why we have a donations page - so players who really want to, can give something that we may save as emergency funds or funds for development/artist tools.

None of that money is going into our personal pockets however, because Atomic Blue is registered as a non-profit organization. Remember that link? Still worth checking out.

[Xordan]

I really don't want money for working on PS. Like I said, it creates a sense of pressure. I want to work on PS when I feel like, and not have a feeling of "I've got to work on PS, I'm getting money for it". Maybe you're happy to sit down and do jack all while people give you money, but I feel guilty if I do that and so I won't do it.

Of course, you think everything I just said is a lie, so I'm not sure why I bothered We have a donations page, ads really suck and I hate them,  and we don't need anything else right now.

Yeah.. and we're non-profit so taking profit is a bit illegal