Author Topic: Why don't you earn some money on this forum?  (Read 5552 times)

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Re: Why don't you earn some money on this forum?
« Reply #30 on: August 22, 2007, 06:14:00 pm »
Not to mention anything with advertisements is not truly free. I recommend you even get rid of the sigs as they are usually nothing more than cheap personal ads. ;)

Sadly mine gets me no action.......

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Re: Why don't you earn some money on this forum?
« Reply #31 on: August 26, 2007, 04:50:24 pm »
Maybe it's cause that picture is slightly creepy?

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Re: Why don't you earn some money on this forum?
« Reply #32 on: August 27, 2007, 03:24:25 am »
It is Kran-tastic as far as I am concerned. What can I say I have a cheesy web-cam and that is about the only thing I ever used it for.

Nobody ever said much about it, do you think I should remove it?

Some people might say the same thing about me so it is sort of truth-in-advertising. It is getting a little tired I suppose.
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Re: Why don't you earn some money on this forum?
« Reply #33 on: August 27, 2007, 07:56:51 am »
It amazes me sometimes how long it takes people to get their heads around a simple statement.
PS Devs dont want money for what they are doing, they do it for the pleasure of doing it. I'm not going to try and claim they are selfless because they do get something out of it, satisfaction. Lots and lots of people do like doing voluntary work purely because they enjoy what they are doing, be that creating something, providing something or just helping people.

I love the way the project works and i think it would be less appealing if i knew that people were making a buck out of it.

And I have to say that it dissapoints me that someone would have the insolence to claim that those Devs who have replied in this post are lieing, not down-to-earth or describing them (and i can only assume you are refering to the artists on the Dev team) as doodlers.  :thumbdown:
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Re: Why don't you earn some money on this forum?
« Reply #34 on: August 27, 2007, 02:18:15 pm »
they are doodlers. thats how it starts. doodling until you find something that would really work.

and all I've said is that you would be lying if you said you would turn down money for the game. especially if it didn't affect the game in anyway. and it is a blatant lie. otherwise there would be no donation page.
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Re: Why don't you earn some money on this forum?
« Reply #35 on: August 27, 2007, 03:08:52 pm »
Ads are ugly and annoying :) Besides, we don't need any money for development. There's really nothing we could do with it, and even current donations are for emergencies (like forum/website/server hosting) or future random tools we may want to look into.

Read this again, then read it again it might sink in, It is for emergencies (like forum/website/server hosting) not for Dev pay.

To me that is very clear, so for the life of me can not see why you are going on about it.
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Re: Why don't you earn some money on this forum?
« Reply #36 on: August 27, 2007, 03:43:46 pm »
You think we haven't found something that really works, Coneitic? You've got to stop trying to be insulting.
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Re: Why don't you earn some money on this forum?
« Reply #37 on: August 27, 2007, 08:23:25 pm »
im not trying to be insulting. but putting yourself on a pedestal and say your doing this only for satisfaction, and if money comes your way you would turn it down is lying to people and yourself.

i already stated that the money can be used to better the dev team in many ways. and noone responded just with the cliche "were not in this for money" u wanna talk about its for emergency's. well hell, whats an emergency?  no money to pay fragnetics? no money to pay the website? bugs that cant be fixed?

did anyone even respond to my idea of hiring "mercenaries"?

bugs i have seen since i started playing are still there. the server still fails quite often. say u put advertising on this forum and the website.

"OH BUT OMG THEY ARE SOOOOO UGLY EWWWWWW I HAVE TO SEE A BANNNER ON THE SITE..... OMG I DONT KNOW HOW TO MANUVER AROUND THEM!"

"WE  ARE NOT IN THIS FOR MONEY!!!!!!!"

how about your in this for the game to finish right? to make this a decent game? we obviously theres problems you cant fix, or dont understand how to fix them. so why not take that money u could make....... and hire merc's. people who already work on these kinda games and work specifically on these areas, or people who wont even look at this game if they arent getting paid.


ok so i get it you all get your jollys off of doing this for free... i see now that if the end game becomes quite popular and it starts making hundreds of thousands of dollars you will all say... no way this was for satisfaction and a hobby... you can take that money and shove it.

but what if that money can be used to better the game and help fix the problems that wont go away???
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Re: Why don't you earn some money on this forum?
« Reply #38 on: August 27, 2007, 09:33:18 pm »
You are just so good at ignoring every post people make here. Let me summarize this thread, and then I'm out of here.

1. Atomic Blue is a non-profit organization.
2. No donations are going to pay for anyone's salary, even part-time - even for a month or a few weeks.
3. It is unfair to pay some developers and not others. It is unfair to ignore contributors and prospects.
4. This game will not make hundreds of thousands of dollars unless we put up a monthly fee, which is not the goal of the project.

Read. Reread. Process.
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Re: Why don't you earn some money on this forum?
« Reply #39 on: August 27, 2007, 09:50:21 pm »
i already stated that the money can be used to better the dev team in many ways. and noone responded just with the cliche "were not in this for money" u wanna talk about its for emergency's. well hell, whats an emergency?  no money to pay fragnetics? no money to pay the website? bugs that cant be fixed?
Fragnetics does not ask for money - no problems
Website costs $6 a month - I spend more when I go to the vending machine.
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how about your in this for the game to finish right? to make this a decent game? we obviously theres problems you cant fix, or dont understand how to fix them. so why not take that money u could make....... and hire merc's. people who already work on these kinda games and work specifically on these areas, or people who wont even look at this game if they arent getting paid.

Don't ever ever EVER pretend to have an idea of the work we do or assume things about the project.   People who work on these games that have the skills we would require are already working in the industry.   Plus it not so easy to just say "Come fix this bug".  It requires a fair amount of time to understand the code base and the project.  It's not just "Oh, you just need to do this". 


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ok so i get it you all get your jollys off of doing this for free... i see now that if the end game becomes quite popular and it starts making hundreds of thousands of dollars you will all say... no way this was for satisfaction and a hobby... you can take that money and shove it.

If I could make a living doing this game I probably would but at the moment I am happy to work on my regular job and work on PlaneShift when I want to. 
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Re: Why don't you earn some money on this forum?
« Reply #40 on: August 27, 2007, 11:40:16 pm »
Why is it so difficult to understand?
That there are people who work at something they enjoy for the pleasure of it?

More power to them I say, it's true that in some cases teams have worked voluntarily to produce something that has been bought out and produced as a commercial game, for example, Red Orchestra, originally a Mod for Unreal Tournament 2004, it was produced as a full commercial product, good on them I say, after all they reaped the rewards of their hard work, and are probably hard at work in some office space coding for the boss.

However in this case the motivations of the dev team are not financial gain, they are actually working hard, in their own time, freely, to produce something they feel strongly about, a free and open MMO for others to enjoy. Ok so it's not complete, but after all, we know it's a work-in-progress, that we are privileged to be able to enjoy, bug-test, evaluate, and watch as it grows.

I feel that the subject of advertising as been clearly and totally covered, and that the present policy is unambiguous, the same can be said of donations, a donation is just that, a freely given token of appreciation from the giver to the dev team and the project in general.

I enjoy having a community website that's not cluttered up with ads, no intrusive popups, popunders or whatever the latest computer lagging flashy advertisment is formatted as. I am actually less likely to take a site seriously if it promises a free to play game, if it's site is loaded with ads it's a touch hypocritical.

I understand that for some other games the costs of running the sites and servers 'freely' may force some advertising, but with Planeshift this is clearly not the case, and this too as been stated.

If in the future some big money company takes an interest in the talents of the dev team, and  offers them a lucrative deal in exchange for the codebase and media, well then, I suggest you read this http://www.planeshift.it/license.html again, it's very informative, and clear in this regard, open client, proprietory media.

It's a big project, it's still in it's infancy really, yes there are bugs, but instead of whining about the bugs, why not actually look at what has been accomplished? I think that a great deal has been accomplished, especially when compared to other projects.

I don't know why people can't just be proud of what we actually have, a growing, changing experience, a chance to say to our friends, that we were a part of it at the beginning, one day to point to a legendary figure in the game and say, 'I remember when s/he fell off the edge of the world', or 'I remember when this was all fields and ideas'.

Money is no compensation for this, and I for one applaud the ideals that this project stands for, and hope the dev team take the time to do it right, instead of rushing to produce something which belittles them and disappoints those of us who have the patience to wait for what we have promised ourselves, a product worthy of those who develop it.

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Re: Why don't you earn some money on this forum?
« Reply #41 on: August 28, 2007, 01:20:00 am »
*stands up and gives Evil Scotsman applause*   \\o//

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Re: Why don't you earn some money on this forum?
« Reply #42 on: August 28, 2007, 02:17:00 am »
Whilst I have nothing new to add to the "this is a non-profit project - money causes problems - ads are annoying and intrusive" argument, just one comment please.

Coneitic: Spelling, grammar, punctuation. These add clarity and weight to an argument. Two or more sentences to one paragraph isn't a punishable offence. Construct a series of connected statements to establish a proposition (a cookie to whoever can tell me where I'm stealing that from).

Actually, one other comment. The prevailing opinion is that at this present time money isn't the object. Perhaps when Steel Blue, or Platinum Blue (made that one up, sorry!) finally rolls around and more hardware investment is needed, the trickle of donations will be solicited, but it is possible for a moderately successful project to operate on non-capitalist pay-the-money-get-the-talent principles.

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Re: Why don't you earn some money on this forum?
« Reply #43 on: August 28, 2007, 04:25:49 am »
well acraig. you were the only one to finally give a real response to my post.  one that wasnt cliche and wasnt immediately dismissive(kayruu). most post just read the first line and hurried with the usual response for some reason.  i cant stand when someone uses a thread as a chance to brown nose the devs. and try to sneak in a bunch of good words about the game instead of responding directly to the points made.

thanks again acraig. for "keeping it real"

but one other thing... u told me what wasnt an emergency.. so what is?
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Re: Why don't you earn some money on this forum?
« Reply #44 on: August 28, 2007, 04:53:41 am »
i cant stand when someone uses a thread as a chance to brown nose the devs. and try to sneak in a bunch of good words about the game instead of responding directly to the points made.

And the rest of us can't stand it when a dead horse is being flogged onto the third page when the reasoning behind the desire to remain ad-free (money not required, non-profit organisation and paying developers is a no-no, that several of the developers, game masters and moderators have all said no) have been clearly and carefully stated. Over and over. The philosophy behind the structure of the development has been debated (over and over) in many threads. It's the way it is because that's the way it is. Introducing a commercial element or a initiative-based pay scheme (as you suggested here) goes against the philosophy of AB and PS.

And just going off here, you're missing the freaking point. This is not a commercial venture, read the license and the reasoning behind it.


Oh, and I disagree with your sig. Trias are in no way all there is.
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