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garbald

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Stuck in Pollen of Haos
« on: August 26, 2007, 10:59:14 pm »
The situation: I was questing on 'Pollen of Haos' when I also received 'Nkaws Contrition'. This may or may not be the core of the problem.
When I had advanced to the point in 'Pollen of Haos' where I was asked whether I want to take a risk, neither 'yes' nor 'no' were accepted as an answer. This is strange because everyone tells me that one of these two answers is necessary at this point.
I tried anything I could think of but neither 'Pollen of Haos' nor 'Nkaw's Contrition' could be continued. Therefore this may possibly be a deadlock between these two quests. Both are locked from being discarded.

Petitions seem to be broken at this time, so I hope I can get help here.

What can I do or who can help?

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Re: Stuck in Pollen of Haos
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2007, 05:39:28 am »
Just to share

One problem with quest with multiple triggers is that it will " skip"


Example - Quest answers

1. "he stole apple"

2. "about necklace"

3. "red eyeball"

if for first trigger, "he stolen apple" is type the quest will go to (2) but you may never get to (3) no matter what you answer.
The difference is only by a letter "n".

Another example

"Billy wants apron" get you to proceed to next quest dialogue but you can't proceed with quest after that.
"Billy wants an apron" will get you through.


This I think cause a lot of confusion to people as they will be trying to figure out the next part of the quest but the problem is with the earlier trigger.

garbald

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Re: Stuck in Pollen of Haos
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2007, 09:30:41 am »
Thank you very much for the insight, but I don't think this is really applicable here. The trigger that lead to this situation was passing a quest item, which was correctly done. Only the switch deciding on the continuation of the quest does not react anymore and I cannot find earlier mistakes in my logged answers. That is why I finally assumed a conflict between quests. When I accepted 'Nkaws Contrition' I simply wasn't aware, that 'The Pollen of Haos' was still open.  :'(

Is there an established procedure to resolve such conflicts after both quests have been locked from discarding? Are GMs able to help here?
« Last Edit: August 27, 2007, 10:47:50 am by garbald »

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Re: Stuck in Pollen of Haos
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2007, 04:54:17 pm »
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"Billy wants apron" get you to proceed to next quest dialogue but you can't proceed with quest after that.
"Billy wants an apron" will get you through.

WRONG!

Please leave it to us as to telling people what works and what doesn't. Seriously. You have no clue, sir.

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Re: Stuck in Pollen of Haos
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2007, 05:02:29 pm »
 Hello. Petitions now work, so please send in one or talk to a GM in game, we will do are best to help if we can.
Run your permissions at least once a week. You will be amazed what it can solve.

Zarack

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Re: Stuck in Pollen of Haos
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2007, 03:42:39 am »
Sorry, but can you please clarify for me here.

It is easier to type.

On the apron example, When type "Billy wants apron", Ivalit will ask me to get the apron for her but typing "Yes" will result in general statement of "Urg, don't understand" and I cannot proceed.

However on typing "Billy wants an apron", Ivalit will ask me to get apron and typing "yes", she will ask me to get from tanner.
Then I can get apron.

After showing her the apron, I recieved it to give to Billy. Billy agreed to proposal and ,hehe, I am stuck here. I could only get Ivalit to response "What did he say? He wants something...".

Do not know whether this is bug, but I can trigger her with "Billy wants an apron" and get another apron and reciept.

In the end, I "complete" quest by not getting Ivalit the apron, by answering "No" and got fraction reduced.

So is the system suspose to act this way (refer to Ivalit going into dialogue of asking for apron but not accepting when I answer yes)?

You were right when you say I have no clue at all. Maybe some hints where I went wrong?

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Re: Stuck in Pollen of Haos
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2007, 11:12:28 am »
Vladovic Chel-Astra says:  There may be another way; it will likely mean dealing with some perilous people though. Are you willing to risk that?
Tanner says: yes
Vladovic Chel-Astra says: What?  I don't really know what you're saying, there.
Tanner says: no
Vladovic Chel-Astra says: Hum.. I don't get you at all.  Try some other words.

is there some randomly long sentence instead of a simple yes no ansser?!



dont matter...
« Last Edit: September 02, 2007, 11:18:45 am by One and only tanner »

garbald

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Re: Stuck in Pollen of Haos
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2007, 02:54:50 pm »
Ok. I wrote a petition and asked for GM help. Sadly to no avail. Even the GMs cannot discard deadlocked quests nowadays.

In effect, this probably means no more quests for Garbald, because you never know when a new quest might lead to Vladovic and get stuck there too. :o

I am really amazed how a developer who knows that his system is buggy can remove the only means to get around this bug. In light of this I find it hardly convincing, that it was done to avoid exploiting. I mean, who is more important to the game? The player who loves playing and wants to test more quests or the exploiter, who will be bored and gone soon anyway?
I liked many of the new quests. A lot of of hard and good work went into all the wonderful new stories. Sad, that this is now all wasted on Garbald. And yes, I know that I could do all the quests with a new character. Hey, in fact the exploiter can do so too and will have no problem with it. But if I do it, it would not be Garbald doing it and the stories of the adventures would not be his to tell at the fireplace in the guild hall.

Well, sorry for this rant. I really don't want to start a new flame fest and this topic has surely been beaten to death before, but this needed to get out. The disappointment was simply too much. I will now be quiet and let Garbald go back to mindless mining and looting, to earn gazillions of Tria, so our guild can perhaps with a lot of luck afford a hall, where Garbald will not be able to tell of his new quest adventures at the fire place. :-X


* Garbald slaps himself. "Quiet! Bad Garbald! Be constructive!!" Garbald silently walks to a dark and hidden corner in the deepest part of the dungeons and weeps. *

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Re: Stuck in Pollen of Haos
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2007, 04:53:09 pm »
Many of us are working with the quest system the way it is. If one character gets stuck, switch to another for a while. Since the characters are going to be here for a long time yet, it is better to have a check on the quest system like this.

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Re: Stuck in Pollen of Haos
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2007, 03:36:34 am »
Nkaw Contrition at certain point do allow you to interact with Vladovic (Do not know whether it is a must or not).
As no item exchange is needed in this case, usually it will not conflict (My opinion only).


I was able to get the book a second time for first part of Pollen of Haos last week, maybe you can try that and retrigger from there.


Last week, I actually has 3 quests involving Vladovic and they did not conflict at all.  ;)
(Not an inducement to do multiple quests at one time, I am just impatient)

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Re: Stuck in Pollen of Haos
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2007, 11:00:38 am »
* Garbald looks up and wipes away a few tears. *

That gives me new hope. I will try that this evening. Thank you very much!

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Re: Stuck in Pollen of Haos
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2007, 10:19:44 am »
I was able to retrieve the paperwork a second time and Vladovic was happy to accept it again. It seems, it is no deadlock based on items after all and that is good news indeed. Only it does not solve the initial problem. I cite from my log:

(01:16:26) Vladovic Chel-Astra says: ... Are you willing to risk that?
(01:16:29) Garbald says: yes
(01:16:32) Vladovic Chel-Astra says: What?  I don't really know what you're saying, there.

I tried a few more answers to no avail and people keep telling me that yes/no should be the right answer here.

Tonight I will try to continue the Nkaw quest without consulting Vladovic (despite the fact that I have been sent to him) and see if I can finish that first to be sure this is really no deadlock between the two quests. It strikes me as odd though, that Vladovic does not react to the key sentence from that quest either.
« Last Edit: September 13, 2007, 03:44:30 pm by garbald »

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Re: Stuck in Pollen of Haos
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2007, 05:10:45 pm »
Before coming to this:

(01:16:26) Vladovic Chel-Astra says: ... Are you willing to risk that?


you need to answer him, I used "OMG NO SpoilERZZZ FIOR JU" Try a few variations of that, could be this part.

As per #3 of   http://http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=29804.msg341475#msg341475
« Last Edit: September 14, 2007, 01:19:00 am by neko kyouran »

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Re: Stuck in Pollen of Haos
« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2007, 05:54:23 pm »
@Zarack You may really have saved me! I used "OMG NO SpoilERZZZ FIOR JU" as my answer which was accepted, so I never questioned that. I will fetch another copy of the forms tonight and try again with "OMG NO SpoilERZZZ FIOR JU". Oh well...  ::)

THANK YOU (also for the really enlightening link)! \\o//
« Last Edit: September 14, 2007, 01:19:24 am by neko kyouran »

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Re: Stuck in Pollen of Haos
« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2007, 07:16:51 pm »
We do not allow spoilers here do not make another post of this nature.