For the love of *insert whatever here* people .....

[ShadowKat]

I have to say I'm a bit surprised (nicely so) at the response so far.  I was quite sure I was going to get completely roasted for my post.  So thank you.

I've edited my post, adding a link for those that wish to journey on to other fields.  If PS is not the game for them, perhaps at that page they will find one that is more to their liking.

@ Con  -  No we are not as vital to this game as the Devs.  Without them to create the game there would be nothing for us to test.  And non-constructive criticism (or b*tching) is not helpful.  All it does is piss people off.  Anything you were trying to say gets lost.

@ Crj  -  I have no fear of losing Devs because of this post.  Simply because of the fact that it is not aimed at them.  I'm not telling them to go build their own mousetrap ... they're already here building this one   It's to the other folks that think they can build a bigger, badder, better one.  Perhaps they can.  More power to them.  If they can, they should go build their own instead of trying to force this one in a direction that the creators do not wish.  It is the Devs and creators vision.  And while they look for our input, it truly is their dream to carry forward in whatever fashion that goes ... not ours. 

[Unnamed_Source]

I think we need a new forum status line under posts, One that conveys the feeling towards the player by the Dev/GM/Moderator staff.

Unnamed_Source
Hydlaa Resident
Posts: 119
Troll: YES/NO

A simple vote cast by those in charge as to what they think of the persons attitude, one vote per posting.
   

[neko kyouran]

had something like that before.  with in 1 day of it being enabled, it was ultimately proved useless and pointless, so no.

[Morla Phlint]

Hello all!

When I read the post of ShadowKat yesterday, I was inspired! Truly inspired! I was proud being part of this community even if this sounds trite. Then today I read the comments and I'm thinking how the attempt to repulse those continuous whining leads to many long threads concerning those conflict and this casts a shadow on the forum.  In my opinion we should concentrate on how and what we could contribute and not on trying to change people and their opinion (please don't get me wrong - not to ignore but to not concentrate on it). Otherwise is might prove to be digging in the wrong place. 

After all there are here to have fun and not to charge the atmosphere with electricity even more shouting at each other. I'm just afraid that little good will come out of it. 

greetings,
morla

[Unnamed_Source]

had something like that before.  with in 1 day of it being enabled, it was ultimately proved useless and pointless, so no.

Damn... I was hoping to advertise my warty hide. Well, on the other hand, I will still be fed.

[Coneitic]

Wrong and wrong.

and particularly in your case . . .wrong Cheesy

To everyone else thanks for the kind thoughts. Do what you can to take the time to beat back the trolls with your own posts so we are free to stick to our work. Perpetual accusations, demands, whining, threats to quit, bla bla bla, really do nothing to promote the game's development.

Only good ideas further the projects as a whole.

oh really? well gee here i was thinking everything we post gives a general idea of the what kind of players will be playing the game. im not just talking about ideas. if someone has a great idea but puts in bad context and you choose to ignore it thats fine(pretty stupid to me but fine) but even when people post "this game sucks and this is why" that tells you why this type of player doesnt like the game, you should see what he put and you understand that kind of player.


if all you people look at is well written, polite, and enjoyable post and go off of that, then your game will be only targetted to a small amount of people.

and if a dev leaves because of whiners.... then thats a sad person and needs to grab a kleenex and cry about it. your talking about a video game on the internet. one that develops slower than a snail. of course its going to be alot of whining. that will probably be the majority of thoughts. hell most games already out are outnumbered by trash talkers than people uping the game.


a dev should look at everything people post because we are the testers. and good devs want feedback no matter what on a game.


insults are excluded from this.

[Waylander]

There have been a good number of bad reviews from players that have been written politely and without whining.  Thing is when people whine there is a 99.9% chance they are whining about something somebody has already politely pointed out to the Devs.  And besides, expecting the Devs to go out of their way for players who do nothing more than complain is silly.

That small amount of people may be all the Devs want to target.  I'll ask around but I doubt many Devs want the people who are constantly whining about usually invalid stuff to keep on playing

If a Dev leaves because of whiners then the player community is at fault.  And you'll notice that with those games you mentioned the devs often hire testers to test their games and, for the most part, ignore the whining.  I know this, I was a professional tester and one of the main rules was "Be polite", Devs often ignore the most valid of points unless it's brought to them in a polite manner.

A player shouldn't whine.  And, the grand majority of people who play PlaneShift put player before tester.  Testers should go through the bugtracker and try to make bugs listed there repeat while, at other times, posting bugs of their own.

Everybody expects the outmost professionalism from the Devs and nothing from the so-called testers.


@ShadowKat: Amazing thread.  I couldn't have done it better

[Coneitic]

well not everyone is professional, like me, i respond when i just get off 3rd shift so im mad tired. but either way if u think every bit of feedback from testers doesnt help development then your dumb. plain and simple. it gives the devs an idea of who plays the game whether they stay for 2 seconds or years. and thats the key for making a great game.

constant whining of course is dismissed. i would expect that. but like my "rant" that was 1 whine that i freaked out about. and i prolly wont do that for a year or so and if that didnt help the devs get an idea about a certain tester than they are going in the wrong direction with the game.

i cant see another reason for making this game open beta but to get feedback from players. no reason to make it open beta unless your struggling for devs.

and i must disagree. if a dev leaves because of whiners its the devs fault. they are too sensitive and need to realize if they want to develop on an open beta they need to realize that majority of the internet community are whiners. so thats something they must get used to.

thats like saying someone quit college football because people boo'd them even tho they had great potential.

any dev who leaves cause they hear people cry on the forums is a whinebox themselves and dont deserve to see something they create.

[Draklar]

majority of the internet community are whiners.

Actually, minority. They are just the loudest.

[Karyuu]

Coneitic, I swear the next time I see you insulting developers on this forum you will be shown the door. This is your final warning.

[Coneitic]

that was a pm no need to broadcast that kayruu.... and i wasnt insulting any dev, if anything i was judging the ones that had already left the project so i feel that was unfair.

[Draklar]

Well, you did call a prospect "dumb" up there.
Though I always find saying "your" before dumb/idiot/stupid to be a sweet, sweet irony.

Now. Maybe I'm being too sensitive*, but I'm not a dumbass, Coneitic. I'm not actually being paid here. I'm not paid to read or ignore your rants. I'm not paid to avoid the forums, irc fan channel and whatever else, hiding for the fear of facing annoying players. I'm not paid to just shut my mouth and carry on with my tasks. I'm here because I enjoy the act of creation and because I find the challenges here to be good for my experience. But you know what? There are many different places where I can find both more experience and enjoyment. Right now? I'm neither paid nor willing to deal with people like you. I realise you probably don't care about my input here and there's enough of devs around anyway. But you think I'll care about your "sensitivity" remarks or this project in general if people like you continue your "help" for the developers? Try me.



* isn't this actually expected for many skilled writers and visual artists? You want artists that lack sensitivity or something?

[Coneitic]

ummm that came out of the blue.. i didnt know you were so sensitive.

but either way you act like you never went to high school, or maybe ur still in high school.

or maybe you went right from high school to college.

or maybe just maybe you didnt grow up. but check it.

the world is hard. the world is full of insensitive people. the world is full of assholes, and douchebags.

but heres the key. see i learned this about 2 or 3 years ago.  if your you.. and you enjoy being you. you dont let that effect you.


so lets put it down in ps terms.

this game is volunteer right? this game is for fun right? so if you like coding, you like designing a game. you like... i dunno you handle rp right?  you like that. you dont let people, you can say people like me, you can say anyone who is a complete ass, stop you from doing what you like. because once your an adult, you pick and choose who you spend time with. when you become an adult you figure out that its about YOU. what you like, what you want.

and if you cant handle criticism or personal attacks, or even whining about what you like to do. then you need to run away to the jungle and not live with people. because the worlds tough. and if you let anyone, anything interfere with what you enjoy and what makes you happy then theres no point on living.

so to sum it up. if you stop doing what you like because of another group of people, your a crybaby and need to get a tissue to wipe them tears.

grow up.

[eldoth_terevan]

but either way you act like you never went to high school, or maybe ur still in high school.

The way you write, spell, punctuate and comport yourself its like you never went to grade school! And incidentally, any derision you get on these forums is not "out of the blue"! *whistles and walks away*

[Draklar]

Well I have two words for you, Coneitic:

Boo hoo.