To drink, or not to drink..?

[Marqsaynt]

About a year ago the topic of drinks was brought up on the forums but as I recall there wasn’t exactly an official response given settings wise. With drinks like “dermorian longbeard” and “twisted emerald” now part of the world of Yliakum I was wondering what kind of drinks are alright to RP and what types are out of bounds.

For a very long time Marqsaynt has RPed drinking whiskey and I have seen many others RP drinking rum, ulber milk, tea, and many, many other even more creative drinks. What, if any of these are valid in the current PS world? Thanks and hopefully we can put this matter to rest, even if only for the time being.

[Unnamed_Source]

Whiskey is a Scott/Irish drink, Bourbon is an American Whiskey from corn mash, Vodka is a Russian drink, and Champagne is a French bubbly wine from the region of the same name. Using such names also brings in the Real world region from where it is produced, thus breaking the OOC barrier.

Now as for rum, it is synonymous with the Caribbean and that comes from sugarcane. First so you got to ask the settings team if sugar cane is found in this hole and then you got to ask if the aura of the "Pirates of the Caribbean" doesn't affect the settings. Same for Grog as it is watered fown  Rum.

Mainly Wine comes from fermented grapes but also other fruits(ie apple, elderberry, etc) and likewise from starch materials like Sake. So I would think the use of the word Wine would be OK but not to actually name a RL wine like sake or Merlo, Chianti, etc. For such destinctions, I would suggest making up the name like you would for the other alcoholic drinks.

Food for thought, whiskey and vodka as essentially the same at birth but differ in maturation, where as whiskey is aged in oak barrels, Vodka goes straight to the bottle and usually drunk right away. SO, the question lies, are there oak trees around or are all wheat grain  drinks like Vodka.

[Seneche]

My thoughts: We have a crystal for a sun...  . How would any plant such as sugarcane, oak, etc grow there? I suppose our plants have adapted, but how could anything else? as far as names go, water is the only thing that I can really see happening, but since beer is a main item in game (or at least the mug) than I suppose things like tea should work as well.

[bilbous]

Tea seems to refer to anything you steep as herbal teas often have no connection to the tea plant.

[Mordraugion]

Hoki tends to drink aged Demorian brandy

[Nikodemus]

brandy made of aged dermorian?
Yuk
Just like there is orange juice, its made of oranges ;>

[Tolol]

Yay ... so dwarfian Ale is made of .... Urrks .... Dwarfs ?

[Draklar]

Whiskey is a Scott/Irish drink, Bourbon is an American Whiskey from corn mash, Vodka is a Russian drink, and Champagne is a French bubbly wine from the region of the same name. Using such names also brings in the Real world region from where it is produced, thus breaking the OOC barrier.

And mead is a Polish drink, but particularly in this example it was said the reference isn't obvious enough and as such there's no reason to rule it out of the Yliakum world. I guess the same applies for other drinks.

[Mordraugion]

Whiskey is a Scott/Irish drink, Bourbon is an American Whiskey from corn mash, Vodka is a Russian drink, and Champagne is a French bubbly wine from the region of the same name. Using such names also brings in the Real world region from where it is produced, thus breaking the OOC barrier.

Now as for rum, it is synonymous with the Caribbean and that comes from sugarcane. First so you got to ask the settings team if sugar cane is found in this hole and then you got to ask if the aura of the "Pirates of the Caribbean" doesn't affect the settings. Same for Grog as it is watered fown  Rum.

A bit extreme to call those names ooc as they are pretty generic these days, may as well say Claymores shouldn't be IG as they are a Scottish weapon or Falchions with their oriental origins

[Unnamed_Source]

A bit extreme to call those names ooc as they are pretty generic these days, may as well say Claymores shouldn't be IG as they are a Scottish weapon or Falchions with their oriental origins

It all depends on where you want to draw the line and how creative the settings team can be.... SO yeah server me up a shot of good ol'Scottish whiskey with a budweiser.. er beer chasser. Or maybe a Bloody Mary.. NO, a screwdriver, with navel oranges and a Vodka of atleast 40% alcohol (80 proof)

Mead is fermented honey. Not just prevelant to poland, records show it was made will before 1300 BC by the greeks and other ancient civilizations. Where as whiskey is not mentioned till the 1400's(AD) same goes for Vodka and most other grain spirits. So, the settings team have to ask themselves, how old does a real world drink have to be before it looses its nationality ties.

You may not be a drinker or maybe an alcoholic, of which the first doesn't know anything about the subject ant the second doesn't care as long as it deos the job. What ever maybe the case, connoisseurs will know.

As for weapons, lets just start calling short swords, Gladius depite the Roman origins, and introduce Katanas and Sais or even modern Bowie or Ka-bar knives.

Btw, Falchions are not oriental weapons, they are European from the middle ages, though they may have been influenced by the  chinese dao, basically a saber or single edge blade. And like the Claymores, they bring about the image of their origins and some what distracting to original creations from the setting department. But, those not versed in comon history will in no doubt feel nothing is amiss. I for one will just laugh to my self and add to the spin with other Real Life names... *Auction* Selling Ka-bar knife 250/250.

[Draklar]

Mead is fermented honey. Not just prevelant to poland, records show it was made will before 1300 BC by the greeks and other ancient civilizations.

I don't know where you get your records from, but the ancient civilizations were making wine with addition of honey for better taste. Fermented honey wasn't made until much later, in regions where making wine wasn't possible. Mead itself is a word with slavonic origin (meaning 'honey').
On another point it is strongly associated with medieval Norsemen, certainly not with ancient Greeks.

[Mordraugion]

[It all depends on where you want to draw the line and how creative the settings team can be.... SO yeah server me up a shot of good ol'Scottish whiskey with a budweiser.. er beer chasser. Or maybe a Bloody Mary.. NO, a screwdriver, with navel oranges and a Vodka of atleast 40% alcohol (80 proof)

Not quite sure how you got Budweiser, Bloody Mary and a Screwdriver from Generic terms.


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In 1276 Sir Robert Savage Lord of Bushmills and his troops tasted some illegal 'aqua vitae', there is also a mention in the Book of Leinster c. 1160.

[Marqsaynt]

Well seeing as I was the one that re-sparked this whole topic, I guess it is only fair if I weigh in with my two tria also.

Personally I am of the mindset that as long at it is a generic term, there really should be no problem with including it in the PS universe. While saying something like champagne (a region of France) or cabernet sauvignon (a type of grape) may be up for debate, terms like whisky (or whiskey), rum, ale, tea, milk, etc. seem to be free enough from connotation to be used successfully in a PS setting. It seems logical that since, bread, fish, carrots, pie, and mushrooms are also in the PS universe (so apparently not deemed too ooc) that drinks would follow a similar policy regarding inclusion. 

On a related note, made up mixed drinks also seem fine to me as long as they are adequately removed from any real world counter part. For example, if someone decides to invent a drink called a Blue Groffel, or a Hydlaa Fizz, or a Green Xacha of Doom, I personally don’t see how that would be out of the settings, considering other concoctions are already part of PS lore (Twisted Emerald and Dermorian Longbeard).

However, if one was to say limit all drinks in the PS realm to only those that are available for purchase at this time, this idea may not hold. Personally I do not see how the people of Yliakum could have such a limited drink selection though, considering that Twisted Emeralds and Dermorian Longbeards exist in PS and I doubt they are mixed by shaking red liquor and a mug of beer together… with a water pouch added just for kicks. 

Anyway, it’s been nice hearing other people’s opinions keep the ideas flowing! Also, If any kind hearted dev, particularly one from the settings team, stumbles across this thread and cares to shed any light on the matter that would be much appreciated, even if the official stance is simply that there is no official stance.

[bilbous]

Dermorian Longbeard sounds to me like a pale (amber, red, whatever) ale of some sort. Twisted Emerald could be another, perhaps with a greenish tinge or possibly a liqueur of some sort.

[Seneche]

I've come up with a list on what "should" be OK to Role Play with, feel free to refine it. Water, Fruit juice, Tea, Hot cider, Tonic water, Wine, Ales (fictional and real), Apple juice, herbal drinks (including medicinal), blood (preferably of an NPC  ), milk (assuming local creatures provide it, salt water (from a combination of water and the mineral salt NaCl). Theres a variety of other drinks that people wouldn't normally want I'm sure, but here's what I could think of. Hope it helps.