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Re: Money exploit: Confession Window
« Reply #120 on: September 28, 2007, 06:58:11 pm »
Orino you are right about the REALY hard time making tria.. thats why.. Gather Gather Gather.. and wait for the OUTSTANDING house prizes to drop atleast 5 fold .. 3.5 milion would be much easier i think... altho it will take months to get that much in team.. not to wonder how long alone...

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Re: Money exploit: Confession Window
« Reply #121 on: September 28, 2007, 07:02:40 pm »
everyting is posible, I can do about 130k in 8 houers.... so I think even after the wipe the most populated and active guilds, would make the prices of  GHs go in the stars again... buceuse there are still a lot of guilds that want it tomuch... that much to ruin the game experience to them selves, just to optain it....

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« Reply #122 on: September 28, 2007, 07:05:34 pm »
Oooh!  Green light on www.hydlaa.com (ie, it says server is online!)...still can't log into PS but hopefully this is a sign that it will be back up soon!   :thumbup:

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Re: Money exploit: Confession Window
« Reply #123 on: September 28, 2007, 07:07:05 pm »
everyting is posible, I can do about 130k in 8 houers.... so I think even after the wipe the most populated and active guilds, would make the prices of  GHs go in the stars again... buceuse there are still a lot of guilds that want it tomuch... that much to ruin the game experience to them selves, just to optain it....

Silly people. Its nice looking and all but it won't help them win guild wars or level faster and I'd imagine that that is the kind of people that would work to make that much money so fast after a wipe.
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Re: Money exploit: Confession Window
« Reply #124 on: September 28, 2007, 07:07:13 pm »
Eventually the economy will even out inflation wise.

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Re: Money exploit: Confession Window
« Reply #125 on: September 28, 2007, 07:10:39 pm »
true stylee i see you point.. they would just mine there coffers full again.. unless they made gold even herder to come by [ orino ducks and dodges bottles thrown at him..]
 as it was stated a farmers salary is 250 trias a month .. now a miner monthly salary is 5 million trias.. am i the only one who see the problem with that..? really?

250 < 5,000,000... if i was a farmer i would pick up a pick and let all of you starve.. because who would farm if mining yielded the same wealth after 10 min of work instead of a month ..no one..

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Re: Money exploit: Confession Window
« Reply #126 on: September 28, 2007, 07:13:12 pm »
And if all the farmers mined then gold would be cheap as hell and a meal would cost as much as 10 houses. We're doomed!! *runs away screaming*
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Re: Money exploit: Confession Window
« Reply #127 on: September 28, 2007, 07:19:47 pm »
It is all out of topic...so this one should be said:

The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities; that is, in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the state. The expense of government to the individuals of a great nation is like the expense of management to the joint tenants of a great estate, who are all obliged to contribute in proportion to their respective interests in the estate. In the observation or neglect of this maxim consists what is called the equality or inequality of taxation.
Adam Smith

We could need a progressive income tax system then to solve this problem!

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Re: Money exploit: Confession Window
« Reply #128 on: September 28, 2007, 07:29:16 pm »
Exploiters and economy are very much related in games so its not too off topic. I doubt it should require another thread.
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Re: Money exploit: Confession Window
« Reply #129 on: September 28, 2007, 07:31:49 pm »
Orino: My friend, ime to say shut-up! ;)

Well a bit of joke, you are not in mistake at all... but the fact is that a farmer get to litle no, ,that the money is to easy to get.... when you will start to train higher levels you will understand... not even talk about magic training....

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Re: Money exploit: Confession Window
« Reply #130 on: September 28, 2007, 07:32:04 pm »
hmmm well a money wipe of 90% of my reserves would leave me about 20 or so trias, if I was lucky however that's not gonna take long to recoup.

However trias are not everything, as this incident proves, since only the rich are likely to suffer for thier ill-gotten gains, hmmmm I better be careful here, i'm sounding a touch 'communist'.

As for the exploiters, sounds like it's not a simple bug to exploit and leaves tracks in the logs that are obvious enough. I don't think that the dev team are having difficulty finding those who have exploited rather it's a case of giving them the change to be 'honest' and to admit their wrongdoing. I also think that a list of these wrongdoers could lead to in-game harrasment, which is bad for the game in general, and the community in particular.

I think that the server downtime was the only option open to the team, and that far from punishing the honest players, it has protected us from further problems with the economy due to even more excess trias in circulation.

Yes we all miss being online and playing but it's really for the good of the game, the players and the devs that this situation is dealt with, swiftly, and as justly as possible. I'm certain that the issue has been discussed and a consensus reached with regard to the best way to deal with those who blatantly exploited this bug, and that the action taken will be the best for everyone concerned, I'm also sure that anyone who took no part in these exploits has nothing to fear.

I don't think we need to know the details of the actual exploit, or the bug, it sounds like it isn't a simple process and that it's unlikely to have gone unnoticed by anyone who may have found it accidentally, if it was simple then a lot more of us would have discovered it, and it would have been discovered that much sooner.

Unfortunatly there are those who seek advantage over their fellows, in every walk of life, games are no different, in fact almost everywhere a game is played, there are people looking to scam, exploit or cheat to prove that they are in some way superior others, generally those that do are without honour, and only prove that they are in fact inferior, since they cannot reach these heights on their own merit, rather than anger, I feel pity for them, poor players, who will not understand that an attainment is it's own reward and can only be earned honestly.
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Re: Money exploit: Confession Window
« Reply #131 on: September 28, 2007, 07:39:09 pm »
The window is now closed do not continue sending emails. If you have not confessed by now you have missed the window.

Due to RL concerns the server must remain down for at least 3 more hours, this was unavoidable so let us not gripe.

Information:

-Many changes have been made to the database. We have tried very hard to discern between cheaters and honestly earned money.

-The system will not be perfect so some people will likely have lost some money, please do not barrage us with reasons why you should have been left out of the wipes that did occur. This is a far better solution than the complete wipe that would have been error proof.

-punative actions are being taken against some players, this primarily will come in the form of large wipes, or in the worst cases, character deletion. We will not be making this list public.

-The bug will not be made public, do not ask again.

-Talad and other members of the team have worked very hard to make this change as timely and fair as possible.

-Many players spared themselves grief by communicating with the team during the window.

We thank you for your continued patience.
« Last Edit: September 28, 2007, 07:46:29 pm by Xillix Queen of Fools »

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Re: Money exploit: Confession Window
« Reply #132 on: September 28, 2007, 07:45:49 pm »
not that we have any other option, except being patient ;)

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Re: Money exploit: Confession Window
« Reply #133 on: September 28, 2007, 07:55:51 pm »
Hopefully the fix will take and a workaround for it will not be found. Certainly the dedicated abuser will try. Thanks for keeping us updated.

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Re: Money exploit: Confession Window
« Reply #134 on: September 28, 2007, 08:15:49 pm »

@evil scotsman: By the way, which one is Pink?

Ah, someone noticed, time to change my sig :)
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