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Re: Vegetarianism Within PS, Pros and Cons
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2007, 07:51:52 pm »
Chickens are edible, yes? Edible are kikiris, then. Eat kikiris, we do. Aye aye ayiyiyi!

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Re: Vegetarianism Within PS, Pros and Cons
« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2007, 08:02:45 pm »
I am no vegetarian, not to mention no vegan. So I may be wrong, but arent those people blaming the exploiting industry to torture animals, thus denying consume?
If so, hows about that in PS? I never read or heard about it.
But if you have some profoundly reasoned roleplay to it, maybe without assuming such an industrial reckless behaviour, why not playing your char that way?

About proteins: Sorry for not giving a source or quote, but I am pretty sure theres no DNA in PS-creatures (plants included), is it possible at all then to have proteins?
To take an analogy, how would you know about if its complicated or not? And is it important at all? Why not just roleplaying him to research on, success and failure, and in the end having found some alternatives?

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Re: Vegetarianism Within PS, Pros and Cons
« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2007, 08:09:46 pm »
A moral objection to animal suffering is sufficent I think.

As for DNA, every living thing needs a type of replicator to survive, be it DNA, RNA or something we don't know about.
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« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2007, 08:23:06 pm »
Parallo,

for your first point I thought about it a bit. I just wonder if people in some imaginary original state, slightly comparable with the stone age or so, would have felt mercy as well? However, in the end that would be a matter of point of view I think, or some individual problem.

Your second point is interesting. I once wondered about interbreeding, and possible results of it. Was said there that the RL known rules of genetics are out of ps at all. So you say it could be some fully unknown mechanism, ok, then those .. tofu things have no relevance, as using some analogies would be processed in a way also unknown.


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Re: Vegetarianism Within PS, Pros and Cons
« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2007, 08:52:30 pm »
In the stone age people were most likely incapable of the intellectual art of moral philosophy I'd say.

As for the genetics, without huge similarities PS will require its own unique biology and I doubt the settings team plan that. So I'd say its safe to assume that most things are the same untill otherwise stated. I really don't care if tofu is in it or not. Just saying that without something to substitute the meat vegetarianism in PS is unlikely to be feasible.
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Re: Vegetarianism Within PS, Pros and Cons
« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2007, 09:35:38 pm »
If we have cheese in PS, then we can have tofu. So long as there are also beans.
Aside from the bacteria involved in cheeses, the process of making tofu is very similar.
It's just bean curd in it's simplest state.

As for vegetarianism, and the vegan lifestyle in PS...
As I understand it, the known inhabited world is a very delicate enclosed system.
Meat in most domesticated forms would need to be watched carefully, as it takes quite a bit of room and rescources to raise cattle.
I also don't imagine it would be very hard to over fish more easily gathered seafood.

However, we do have many monsters and insect species to go after. These would be the most easily gathered meats, but due to general dificulty involved in gathering meat that would be more appetizing,
you would either have low cost junk meat or high cost prime monster meat in smaller quantities.

The world might seem big for a player, but the entire ecosystem as a whole is pretty damned tiny,
so a more vegan approach would be more logical, as it costs less rescources to maintain and has a smaller effect on the environment.
These arguments are made to support veganism in real life, and given the structure of this world they seem all the more logical.
In fact, given the lack of medical knowledge when it comes to certain kinds of disease, I'm suprised that people actually throw their dead in the pit when they might serve as a practical resource.
(But then, I'm a bit crazy anyway)

In anycase, I think that Enki should have the first choice when it comes to meats as they probably don't have the proper digestive organs for most plants.
Other races would have to make due with seaweed, beans, mushrooms, small domesticated birds and thier eggs, and the little bit of meat that comes from monster hunting.
I wonder if some species of giant insect could be succefully domesticated?
Something like the clackers, or even giant bees/wasps for honey? Some kind of ant, or roachlike creature that could live off of useless waste?
I'm sure some of these types of animals could offer useful carapaces for armor/clothes/decoration.

One of the things I'm getting at is that a more vegaterian centric lifestyle (at least one that avoids meat as we know it in the real world) could be much more interesting to see as supporting this fantasy world. Since the people would have to deal with these problems in unique ways.

If I remember correctly, there is already some hint that most of the societies already practice a low meat diet for some of the reasons I listed above.
For instance, the main beast of burden is used for labor and sheared for it's coat but they are never slaughtered because it would take too many resources to breed them for such purposes.

After typing all of this, I've decided that I want giant domesticated bees dammit!
You get honey, meat, wax, carapaces, and I'm assuming that with giant pollinators, they would have to have some kind of giant plant...
Could we please have some huge flowering herbal plant species rather than generic trees?
Hell, banana trees are just giant flowers.

This may end up beeing one of the lingering goals of Opeitus...
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Re: Vegetarianism Within PS, Pros and Cons
« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2007, 09:56:50 pm »
If you give an Endikudai a peice of chocolate, would they die of a heart attack?

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« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2007, 10:28:05 pm »
I believe you're on the ball.
Speaking of balls...has anyone made some anti-hairball potions for them yet?
At the very least, Enki should be able to harness that marvelous hairball gland into an attack that blinds their enemies/prey.
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« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2007, 11:04:12 pm »
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« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2007, 12:17:09 am »
So ... like ... why should animals be treated better than humans? Is a chicken factory worse than some of these cubical farms? What do you suppose would happen to all the pigs, cows and chickens if they were no longer used for food? Should they be allowed to run wild in the streets? Or would they be limited to the zoos and hunted to extinction elsewhere like the dangerous wild animals?

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« Reply #25 on: October 01, 2007, 12:39:25 am »
If the question is whether veganism or vegetarianism is viable roleplay the answer is yes, we will give it due consideration.

On the issue of genetics more to come soon.

I think the animal/human distinction is a crock of shite, but ps will have varying opinions on this in the in game literature. (although not explicitly as genetics per se)

Enkidukai are no more animals than ylians are and ylians are no less animal than kikiri, however the enkidukai are as genetically "advanced" as any other species considered sentient.

The only oddity is the diaboli and ynwwn for now we can assume they are animals too with some "specialness."

Ps will have whatever needed rationalizations of the eating of meat for people to argue over in time.

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« Reply #26 on: October 01, 2007, 01:59:53 am »
i still don't see the point of this topic...
does it even matter.. eat grass if you want. or eat a grendol for all i care.
you also don't see people popping up saying " I'm making a Vegetarian Guild"
so its a personal choice for your character. and the settings team already clarified which foods certain races prefer over other foods. you don't need to restrict yourself to these foods, but they should at least be considered before you change your diet completely.

and also, its a food chain. Tefusang eats us, we eat clacker, clacker eats bug. just because we are smarter doesn't mean that we are not "animal" in a way.

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« Reply #27 on: October 01, 2007, 02:30:41 am »
Speak for yourself. I am not an animal.
Damn dirty apes!

Sheesh I have got to stop channeling Charlton Heston.

Seriously though Kran have to be an exception as well. I am a rock!

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« Reply #28 on: October 01, 2007, 02:59:56 am »
Erm, how many vegitarian foods are there so far? I have yet to see anything besides grass, apples, and trees. I don't care if you do it or not, but it'll be a hard time rping without anything to use.

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Re: Vegetarianism Within PS, Pros and Cons
« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2007, 04:26:35 am »
On the issue of genetics more to come soon.

I think the animal/human distinction is a crock of shite, but ps will have varying opinions on this in the in game literature. (although not explicitly as genetics per se)

Enkidukai are no more animals than ylians are and ylians are no less animal than kikiri, however the enkidukai are as genetically "advanced" as any other species considered sentient.

The only oddity is the diaboli and ynwwn for now we can assume they are animals too with some "specialness."


All this about genetics makes me curious for reasons I won't explain because they are secret.

Speak for yourself. I am not an animal.
Damn dirty apes!

I wash everyday  :P

Seriously though Kran have to be an exception as well. I am a rock!

I was actually wondering about kran. According to some NCP's kran's eat crystals (making them vegetarians?). My question is that if they eat crystals so much why aren't they treated like food and actually sold in places like the tavern. Also can they only eat crystals and it's just not been implemented or can they eat whatever they like. I can think of more questions but I'm sure these would help me answer the others on my own.
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