what would you consider a powerleveler?

[Rongar Elani]

A Rper is someone that I need a dictionary to understand him.

For me it's often the other way around. I'm not trying to generalize here, but many PLers are often using some language, that is far away from being english.

[Farren Kutter]

so...how many powerlevelers do you meet in a day, going by your own definitions?

None I may walk past them, but I usually don't speak to them. Heck, lucky if I even walk past them anymore, these days I spend time wandering like I should Pure RPer now, when I find the time.

By my definitions I would never meet a PLer :/

A Rper is someone that I need a dictionary to understand him.

For me it's often the other way around. I'm not trying to generalize here, but many PLers are often using some language, that is far away from being english.

I think what you're looking for is a dictionary of acronyms and slang

[Cebot]

I consider myself a power leveller too, this is because of my characters nature.

Lets take a look at Cebot, in his early times he was respectless and very rude, because of that and due to his past he had to be able to defend hisself and also be able to backup the rudeness and provocation with skills, when challenged. therefor I powerlevelled him in the needed skills for that.

Lets take a look at Denana, due to her fault of joining the Dermorian Lords in the war about Ojaveda she got cursed by the gods to be an Enki - the race she was fighting against - since she hardly fights anymore, therefor is kinda weak in weapon skill. she focuses more on crafting now, therefor I powerlevelled mining and metallurgy (the smithing skills were too boring for me to powerlevel, so i just train them when i need them actually)

So the term "power levelling" for me means to train up needed skills as fast as possible. A miner who is IC someone with years of experience but mining skill 0 is a bit unrealistic to me, same goes for a warrior who tells lores about the many wars he has participated in, but at the end is not able to defeat a weak rogue from the arena is also unrealistic for me. On the other hand someone who levels everything to the max...well, also a power leveller, but with other motives than I have.

Anyways, everyone defines the term differently.

Cebot

[Rongar Elani]

A Rper is someone that I need a dictionary to understand him.

For me it's often the other way around. I'm not trying to generalize here, but many PLers are often using some language, that is far away from being english.

I think what you're looking for is a dictionary of acronyms and slang

Not quite. English might not be my native language (and I sometimes use an online dictionary ), but for the most part I understand slang and abbreviations. What I can't get my head around though, is the l33tsp34k some people are making use of. It's in my opinion a rape of the english language and only shows me, how little respect someone has for those, who do not sp34k ... ehm, I mean speak this sort of 'accent' or do not want to speak it.

Just for the records: If anyone wants to talk to me here or ingame, use proper english or you'll be ignored.

[Suvok]

Wisdom from Suvok:

In my eyes, a powerleveler is someone who's sole purpose within a game is to be better than the next guy, it is someone who regards the game as merely a tool that allows them to show off their ability to perform repetetive tasks.

An RPer on the other hand may train these skills if it is linked with their characters personality and experiances, yet primarily uses the game as an oppertunity to act out improvised situations with other RPers in an attempt to simulate the workings of a real world.

 

[Verrliit]

Everyone levels, until it takes more time and effort than it is worth to them.

It is supposed to be that way.

And some of the greatest RP artists that I have ever met, have maxed every combat skill, or magic, doggedly grinding away with almost inhuman resolve, hour after hour, day after day, for months and months, just so that their heroic or diabolic characters would be completely as advertised.


And PS is a "Pre-Alpha Demo".

It is officially and emphatically NOT a game.

The PS staff repeatedly call upon us to be "testers first, and players second."

And nearly the only things that there are to test, are rudimentary leveling and quests...


So you see, although there is an occasional wannabe now and then, there really isn't any such thing, as a powerleveler in PS.

Like so many other things, we only have the name.

It has not been implemented yet.


~Verrliit~

[Farren Kutter]

I stopped training my characters when I realized it is pointless to do so until 1.0 or so. Half the skills for my characters aren't implemented, first of all. Second of all it is all gonna go bye bye and I'd rather the only thing I have to worry about at a wipe (GASP!) be my descriptions. One of the OOC reasons I keep a single tria on my main ;-)

Now I say I am purely RPer, don't do training and stuff, that is mainly because I dislike training and fighting in PS. I like fighting and leveling in say, LotR Online. Until recently I was the lowest level of a guild I lead but I trained for a day and gained a bunch of levels and am now second highest. But the guild is made for RPing

And Verrliit, if it isn't a game, then why is it referred to as an MMORPG? Sure it is testers first players second and all that jazz, but the players second part says it is a game

Anyways... Training is part of PlaneShift, even I realize that. But after maxing my character once I didn't care to a second time when they raised the caps

Cebot, in my definition, you're not a PLer Just did some PLing to get where you needed to. Sorta like the difference between being a climber or just being someone who climbs to get to another objective. Getting in a fight doesn't make someone a fighter. If all you do is powerlevel, that makes you a powerleveler.

[Verrliit]

And Verrliit, if it isn't a game, then why is it referred to as an MMORPG? Sure it is testers first players second and all that jazz, but the players second part says it is a game

Honey, don't ask me, ask the PS staff.

I just quoted what has been the official word, for all the years that I have lived here.


It just struck me as a great irony.

People are essentially RPing that PLing exists.


~Verrliit~

[Under the moon]

As I see it:

PowerLeveling: the act of striving to rapidly get skilled in a short period of time. Can be roleplay, as the character would wish to become strong. Or it can be just the desire of the player to max out in the game, with little thought about what the game is about.

[Suvok]

PlaneShift is a Role Playing Game immersed into a 3D virtual fantasy world which is FULLY FREE to play. Fully free means you will have no surprises of premium content which will limit your gameplay or unbalance the game. There are no limitations in skills, ranks, abilities, items you can gain with your free account. There are no time limits or additional constraints. Other similar games just advertize the "free" concept to sell you premium accounts. We don't. Servers and bandwidth will be donated by sponsors.

At the present state of development, PlaneShift is not a complete game, but what we call a "tech demo". With this definition we mean that the game is still under heavy development, so you may easily find bugs, glitches and missing features. We decided to open it to the public because we want to have your feedback on improving the game and because we have enjoyed seeing our progress being put into productive use from the beginning. Apart from this, the game is enjoyable and has hundreds of active players.

What gather from this is that, PlaneShift is a game. Just an unfinished one that is still under development.

As I see it:

PowerLeveling: the act of striving to rapidly get skilled in a short period of time. Can be roleplay, as the character would wish to become strong. Or it can be just the desire of the player to max out in the game, with little thought about what the game is about.

I class the terms 'Powerleveling' and being a 'Powerleveler' as two different things.

Powerleveling is, in my opinion, exactly what UTM just said.

Even Roleplayers can 'Powerlevel' if it enhances their characters RP. But to be a 'Powerleveler' means that you are purely playing to do this. I don't think you can be a roleplayer and powerleveler at the same time.

That's my take on things

[CrazyYlian]

Verlitt gots it right...

"People are essentially RPing that PLing exists"

Consider....
There is no way around levelling, (unless you're one of those who think RP is just 3D chat), the game requires levelling in at least some skills just to be minimally functional.  Since we are all going to do it at somepoint, that boils any discussion of powerlevelling down to a matter of degree (how many PPs how quickly).  That would seem to be nitpicky, yet this issue keeps coming up, over and over.

Therefore, I would say the issue is not being properly framed.  I think the better question here is "What is an RPer?"   Incompatible definitions of RP seem to be the primary driver of the "powerlevelling" accusations, so finding out what those definitions are would seem more productive.

[theirah]

Therefore, I would say the issue is not being properly framed.  I think the better question here is "What is an RPer?"   Incompatible definitions of RP seem to be the primary driver of the "powerlevelling" accusations, so finding out what those definitions are would seem more productive.

in that case...

http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=30243.0

[Suvok]

Consider....
There is no way around levelling, (unless you're one of those who think RP is just 3D chat), the game requires levelling in at least some skills just to be minimally functional.  Since we are all going to do it at somepoint, that boils any discussion of powerlevelling down to a matter of degree (how many PPs how quickly).  That would seem to be nitpicky, yet this issue keeps coming up, over and over.

I think it has been established that 'levelling in at least some skills just to be minimally functional' is not powerleveling.

I do not see the speed of leveling as a factor in whether or not your are a powerleveler:
Like I said before, 'Powerleveling' can be done in an RP sense as in the term leveling up quickly. But doesn't the term 'Powerleveler' mean something different. I see the term 'Powerleveler' as the word for someone who only plays to powerlevel.

I see characters quite alot, walking around with heavy plate armour and with the message, "You evaluate that -------- is impossible to defeat" stuck on their foreheads. When I speak to them it is evident that they have no intention of roleplaying, that they have the language skills of a teaspoon and, probably at the time, are waiting for their mob to respawn.

How do you classify that player?

[Farren Kutter]

I believe Suvok is seeing things my way

[Suvok]

* Suvok looks back at Farren's post

So I am