crafting swords

[tadill]

ok people the madness needs to stop on one hand we have xillix preachin to everyone to help the newbie that I agree with totally but this crafting swords system is so broken there is no basis for it. First when starting the newbie should be able to make something better than harn sells 51 to 55 q as they level the quality of their work should also increase and no I am not sayin that they should be able to make a 300q sword right off the bat. But that crafting should be more like metallurgy at say you level up by 5 the sword quality should also that would get more newbies interested in doin crafting as the system now stands it still seems like luck.  There is no such thing as luck when you make something. As you hit the higher levels you should be able to make swords out of other metals bring back platinum but make the ncp pay so little for it that it would be worth nothing to the miners but let those who can make a 300q blade be able to work it also after the player gets so high in crafting let them to be able to use the glyphs to add magic to the swords. if the crafting system was more definate you could tell a newbie that if the work was put to it they could do it . the rping will come along naturally if the newbies interest keeps them arround and the older rpers start to include them in the rp

[Parallo]

First when starting the newbie should be able to make something better than harn sells

I read that far and just laughed. That really makes no sense.

[Hatchnet]

First when starting the newbie should be able to make something better than harn sells

I read that far and just laughed. That really makes no sense.

Agreed thats like saying (useing a certain other game as an example) that in that game a player should be able to make rune items just starting out.

[tadill]

I read that far and just laughed. That really makes no sense.

well as much as you might say that it makes no sense it does the current crafting system only appeals to a powerleveler not to someone who might want to rp so yes it must be lightened to start this game is supposed to be for rping one should not have to spend time powerleveling to get somewhere lets face it there is only so much rping that one can do while beating on a anvil for 4 hrs straight just to gain one level in bs and sword making and they see no improvment in their final sword. tho I have not tryed the axe making it is probley the same all I am sayin is the mechanics of the game should be as good as the rping of the game  sure there will be powerlevelers but they will not stay the rpers however will

[Parallo]

It makes no IC sense for a person who has never smithed before to be better at it than the person who teaches all the smiths in Hydlaa.

[Eodun]

Please, tadill, could you use some punctuation marks? It's very hard to read for a non-native english speaker (and I'm sure for a native, too)

[tadill]

It makes no IC sense for a person who has never smithed before to be better at it than the person who teaches all the smiths in Hydlaa.

umm wrong before you can even start crafting you work for harn there are several quests that you must do before you even get the book to start crafting. and then harn tells you that you must get training from him. before you can do anything. other quests also show us that harn does not sell his finest to just anyone.

[Parallo]

Yes, but if an absolute idiot with minimum training could make better than what he sold then no one would buy from him, and in consequence no one would want to be trained by the guy with crappy swords. It makes no sense.

[tadill]

Yes, but if an absolute idiot with minimum training could make better than what he sold then no one would buy from him, and in consequence no one would want to be trained by the guy with crappy swords. It makes no sense.

hmmm I have never heard harn lay claim to producing the massive amounts of swords that he sells and why would a master craftsman even sell his finest work to common folk they could not afford it several quest do revel that harn has many apprentices who produce goods for him so once you are ready to start to craft you should be able to make a basic weapon. because what master would allow his apprentice to work at his forge? and produce less than the basic quality . I think not

[Parallo]

You are saying that the basic quality someone not trained makes should be higher than that of said apprentices and that no one would sell items less than basic quality. Thats a paradox.

[tadill]

no because to even begin you have allready trained with harn. now I must ask when was the last time you have played this game? your replies seem to me of one who has not played in quite a while. I think you might want to create a new char and play this once to see the more current changes in the game also to see how much background the devs have added to it. as I have said everything is there to say that it is not only possible but more probable that one should be making a better blade than harns basic ones. also we should not forget all those magical looted blades that thieves carry and are looted by players. who made them again we must see that they are made by harn or trasok . they are the better blades that only the rich can afford. 

[Aiken]

You are saying that the basic quality someone not trained makes should be higher than that of said apprentices and that no one would sell items less than basic quality. Thats a paradox.

The quaility made by someone untrained is higher than what Harnquist or Trasok sell.

Brand new character with level 0 in all jobs. Q136 stock and Q188 ingots and I made a Q53 sabre. Higher quality than what Harnquist or Trasok sell. The sabres also hit a little harder than the short swords either of those 2 sell. Next was made with Q300 stock and Q300 ingots. Final sword was a Q74 sabre.

[theirah]

hmm...I've noticed some differences with levels gained.

maybe harn and trasok should sell several qualities? or maybe...they sell decent weapons, like q100, and they also sell all the different weapons players sell to them. there should also be a price change based on quality...both for selling and buying

[Tontow]

well as much as you might say that it makes no sense it does the current crafting system only appeals to a powerleveler 

As far as that is concerned:
http://hydlaa.com/flyspray_upgrade/index.php?do=details&task_id=611&histring=crafting

[Ravenguard]

I'm all for the more... powerleveler folk... being the blacksmiths.  If you don't have lots of time to spend idly pounding the anvil, be a metallurgist, or a miner, or whatever new profession comes along.  We don't need more users of material, we need more suppliers of it.

But Harnquist tells you, 'Oh-ho, I have to charge you for training now, because you're on track to be my competitor here!'
That means he crafts stuff.
And if he trains you, that means he knows more than you do.  So... Harn/Tras need to sell better stuff, I guess.