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[Tearlach]

Hello everyone, I am currently doing a interview on the subject freedom, since I want different views of the subject I am using the internet as my tool.

I will post some questions below that I would want you to answer, I would prefer a well thought out reply over 50 yes/no replies. this are the questions:

1) What is freedom?

2a) Is there any limit on how free you can be?
(This one is asking for a non-artificial restraint, for an example a law is an artificial restraint.)
2b) Do you think it is possible to remove all your freedom?

3) Do you think that it is possible to have too much freedom?

This thread have been posted on another forum, if you want to read more about this subject you can clickhere
(If you would notice any grammatical or spelling errors please correct me. )

[Kahlisi]

1.) What is Freedom?
Freedom is the ability to live ones life as that individual chooses, for them to make their own decisions about what to do and what not to do, live where they wish to live, etc., without impeding on said freedom of another person.

2a) Is there any limit on how free you can be?
Yes.
Example: If you were so \"free\" enough to go about and kill whoever you pleased, that would force other people to not be as free as you (because they\'re dead, scared, etc.).  Therefore, a limitation must be set - that the general populus agrees with - on what is right and what is wrong.  This is where morals, laws, and government come into play; all are a necessity to avoid anarchy and chaos.

2b) Do you think it is possible to remove all your freedom?
Yes.
Forcing someone to another\'s will, doing things they do not wish to do, threatening them, brutalizing them, making decisions for them - these are all examples of having your freedoms removed.  If all are done in concordance, then yes, all freedom can be removed, even the freedom of breathing if they choose to take your life.

3) Do you think that it is possible to have too much freedom?
Yes.
There is a thing as too much freedom when people begin to think rashly and are not considerate toward others.  (Please see my statement in 2a about murdering rampages.)

[Tearlach]

In my message I asked you to give a well thought out reply rather than the old yes/no thing as it don\'t give me the input I need.

[Kahlisi]

You edited your post when I was replying to it.   :]

[Tearlach]

yes, but I was just editing in the link.

Oh, and her is my disclaimer:

If you want your name to be in the final draft please write it under your post, if you want to be anonymous please say so.
I also reserve myself to shorten down your post in the final draft if necessary.

[Tearlach]

Example: If you were so \"free\" enough to go about and kill whoever you pleased, that would force other people to not be as free as you (because they\'re dead, scared, etc.). Therefore, a limitation must be set - that the general populus agrees with - on what is right and what is wrong. This is where morals, laws, and government come into play; all are a necessity to avoid anarchy and chaos.

I must clarify question #2 I think, this is asking for a non artificial restraint, which you are giving a great example on when you are saying that one persons freedom may hinder other peoples freedom, but the other part of your answer are talking about a artificial constraint which belongs under #4, I should have clarified this in the question and I will edit it now to reflect this.

[Dumb Woob]

1) What is freedom?

The ability to do anything you want/need to do.

2a) Is there any limit on how free you can be?

Sure, you can jump 15 feet high (on earth) even if you want to.  

2b) Do you think it is possible to remove all your freedom?

Yes, but not likely, You\'d have to be in an elaborate restraint system to where you can\'t do anything you want.

3) Do you think that it is possible to have too much freedom?

Sure, Anarcy is Total freedom, Anarchy is also one of the stupidest ideas, ever.

[Tearlach]

Well Dumb Woob why is anarchy the most stupid idea ever?

[Vengeance]

Freedom is the ability to do what you want as long as what you want doesn\'t infringe on others\' ability to do what they want.

For example:  You have the right to free speech in America, but you don\'t have the right to \"be heard\".  You can\'t *make* people listen to what you have to say.  The Dixie Chicks recently got a lesson in this. :-)

The \"Yelling Fire in a crowded theater\" is the classic example.  You can yell Fire, but if you are putting others in danger by doing that then you are infringing on their freedom, which is verboten.

Murder seriously cramps the victim\'s ability to do what he wants later also. :-)

If you want to see anarchy in action, go to Africa and check out things like \"civil wars\" with 26 different sides and armies in one country, where everyone basically rapes and pillages whoever they want, where doctors treating Ebola victims are attacked for angering the gods at the instigation of the witch doctors, and where AIDS is now something like 40% of the entire population of the continent.  If you like anarchy, just move there and good luck to you.

- Venge

[Tearlach]

I am just trying to get more elaborate answers to certain questions, I am trying to not post my own answers to this thread so that it won\'t become biased, beside your answer to #1 is what most anarchists defines anarchy as. (just so you know)

[FyreBlade]

i guess i\'ll toss in my two cents (which are worth very little)....

1) What is freedom?
The chance to make your own judgements, thoughts, and opinions as you choose when you want to. essentially, being able to have conscious thought and being able to act upon them if rational and if they do not infringe on the freedom of others. (i.e. like kahlisi said, going around killing people is not considered \"rational\").

2a) Is there any limit on how free you can be?
(This one is asking for a non-artificial restraint, for an example a law is an artificial restraint.)
Yes, there is a limit. There is a point where you cannot have full freedom. (i.e. some things are just plain impossible. to grow wings and fly, for example. running about trying to do this will result in one injuring or having adverse effects upon oneself and/or others )

2b) Do you think it is possible to remove all your freedom?
Yes and no. No, because it is not possible for a person to have all concious thought quashed and/or forced in a specific direction by another. Thus, a person can still make judgements, decisions, and opinions though not necessarily be able to act upon them fully. (being able to make judgments, decisions, and opinions was part of my definition of freedom). Yes, it is possible because bieng able to act on the decisions was also part of my definition. finally, people can\'t do ANY of this stuff if they\'re dead.

3) Do you think that it is possible to have too much freedom?
Yes. If you are infringing upon another person\'s freedom, then you have too much. Examples of this have been drawn up very well in the previous posts so there is no reason for me to make any more.

I don\'t see the point of putting our names on this thing (as they\'re just screen names, not our real names) but i\'d like to remain anonymous thankee very much.

[Tearlach]

That one is if you want to have your real name in the final draft or your screen name or if you want it to read *anonymous*.

[Monocle]

No, because it is not possible for a person to have all concious thought quashed and/or forced in a specific direction by another

yeah there is: drugging, brainwashing, manipulating, hynotizing, etc.

In the future there may be even more powerful mind control.  let us hope that does not come true.  

[FyreBlade]

Originally posted by Monocle

No, because it is not possible for a person to have all concious thought quashed and/or forced in a specific direction by another

yeah there is: drugging, brainwashing, manipulating, hynotizing, etc.

In the future there may be even more powerful mind control.  let us hope that does not come true.  

yah, i know. but i\'ve heard (and i like to hope) that those methods do not COMPLETELY destroy all semblance of conscious free thought.

[Monocle]

i wouldn\'t know, i\'ve never tried them