GM Events

[Suno_Regin]

Every time there's a GM event, hordes of people crowd around and act completely out of character just to get the reward that isn't even mentioned ICly at the end. I suggest that during these events, the GMs have normal labels, so that people who would actually care what's going on would participate, and the ones only in the event OOCly for the reward would be left out.

It goes like this:

Normal person asks for help - no one cares except the scarce amount of RPers

GM asks for help - everyone in the game crowds around the person and starts acting all goody-goody.

I get pretty sick of it fast. There's no reason why eighty people would care more about, say, a Kran shirking his duties, than someone being abducted and nearly murdered.

[Caarrie]

all gms have the option to change label color it is up to them to use it or not.

[Velh Krome]

Sad thing is, that right for that purpose label colors were introduced.. so, now how is it? Testers have the green labels, any higher level GM a yellow one? Hm.. somehow I have that feeling that doesnt make much sense, not for the given wish that is.
All the last GM events I noticed (of course not necessarily participated) were held by yellow labelled ones, thus crowds partook the way Suno described..
That GMs still may ignore any reasoned rp by players is another thing, as well as often event-plots make no sense at all, but act as isolated entertainment.

Its tedious, seriously, but once more: Use these green labels and make GM events more fun!
Until then I leave it up to the reward-hunters to participate, while I will enjoy a good play with my friends.

EDIT:
Now that Caarrie replied, even more disappointing that apparently no use is made of that option.

[Suno_Regin]

all gms have the option to change label color it is up to them to use it or not.

Alright, but I'm suggesting that it would be better off keeping a normal label. This game is supposed to be for roleplaying, so why don't these events encourage roleplay? Everyone I've seen participating in them acts out of character just to get the reward they know will come by seeing the label. If that label isn't there, and the events progress as normal, people actually act in character and it's a much more enjoyable experience.

[Hanix]

If you dont like it, dont take part, simple!

Instead of moaning. Go do something that makes you happy!

We on the GM team work long and hard to enhance the game for ALL players. When i host an event, i dont care what your RP background is or what your back story is. What i care about is that the community knows we are here for you all. i host events for ALL players to take part in, not just the odd few. I want people to see a yellow or blue label and think "Hey GM event, cool, they do care!"
Its not about the rewards, its about the taking part as a community as a whole. People like you seem to forget that there are new players that are still learning RP and the game itself. When a yellow name appears they know its something special and taking part not only helps the learn to RP but what PS is all about.

Im tired of seeing posts like this where people like you simply moan about the good things we do for the community.

Flame me all you like i will not be replying to anymore posts made in this thread i think you have enough fuel to burn me with. I just hope i dont see you taking part in any of the future events we host.

[Zan]

That post makes me rather disappointed ... but if that is the official stance then made up my mind about joining the GM team.

That GMs work long and hard, I don't doubt it .. hosting events is tough work and hardly ever appreciated. That you do not seem to be interested in good roleplay but more in pleasing the greater community ... that makes me wonder for the first time if Planeshift really is heading down a better road than all those commercial games out there. Maybe Planeshift isn't a game for me after all.

Do keep making events, I'm certain the majority appreciates them but make no mistake. They are about the reward and the reward alone for those who participate ... though can we ask you to please leave us roleplayers at peace in our tavern? Bringing an OOC mob in there is very disruptive for those that do want to roleplay seriously.

[Velh Krome]

Usually I dont care much about GM events, like you say, its that simple.

i dont care what your RP background

Not sure whats that referring to. Maybe one of the following two sayings fit?
- I am not talking about my chars background but in some cases the setting itself.
- If my char wouldnt fit in it, he would give not even a heck. But if he is hostile towards any GM-played char and gets ignored when he attacks, how do I have to take that? Is it about either the char one plays will do what the GMs say, always cooperatively in a more oocish way, or one should stay away from the event?

To host GM events for newer people get involved and having the yellow labels to support that may be an honorable approach, no doubt. But I hope you arent intenting to lock out rpers who are trying to have a plot making sense?

I am not intenting to say what GMs say is bad at all, I do see that they have loads of work! Sometimes over time things just drift away and need some nudge for it gets back to normal.
What now? Did I touch a taboo? Is it a topic I should have known its forbidden to talk about?

I just hope i dont see you taking part in any of the future events we host

Wow.. does this have to be taken as an official point of view? In that case the colored labels would have a use too.

[Proglin]

Meh stop it please?

I used to be a GM, and when I was we discussed turning off labels quite often. We even tested it at the time. When we did an event without coloured labels, no one joined. Even serious RP peeps did not react. There are loads of players that want to join in for some RP. People's greed will sometimes prevail and make people join in for just the rewards. I myself loved joining and hosting for the fun of it.

I think there's something to say for both sides, just that I tend to stick with those that experienced both sides. It is meant to be fun. If you do not like them, like Hanix said, then by all means don't join in and have fun elsewhere. But allow others their fun as well. It's impossible all 80 participants are in it for the awards. So in my humble oppinion, it would be best if the duscussion ends with a "live and let live" kinda quote.

[zorbels]

Suno I just don't understand why you deal with things this way. If you didn't like something about the GM event, why didn't you take the time to sit down figure out the problem and perhaps a solution or suggestion or even state what the problem is and that you have no solutions but you just wanted to point them out. Instead you leave these angry messages and you take it out on the GM's. Don't you understand they work really hard? Your ignorant rant will only discourage them and make them feel like you don't give a rats ass what they do just as long as they fix what you complaint about. I guess you really just don't understand how much it takes to make an event happen. It is impossible to make everyone happy as you so nicely pointed out.

@everyone: People if you got an issue with the gm's, do more than just complain. Make an effort to help work out some kinks that you may see. Just please do me a favor (I once was a GM and know that frustrating feeling) show some consideration and respect to these people. They work hard to make fun for you. Quit picking at their posts, at the words they say, trying to catch them up in their words  just so you can do the "I told you so" act. Quit thinking that you know better. If you really want to make things happen to your liking join the friggin GM team yourself and see that those changes happen.

[Suno_Regin]

That post makes me rather disappointed ... but if that is the official stance then made up my mind about joining the GM team.

That GMs work long and hard, I don't doubt it .. hosting events is tough work and hardly ever appreciated. That you do not seem to be interested in good roleplay but more in pleasing the greater community ... that makes me wonder for the first time if Planeshift really is heading down a better road than all those commercial games out there. Maybe Planeshift isn't a game for me after all.

Do keep making events, I'm certain the majority appreciates them but make no mistake. They are about the reward and the reward alone for those who participate ... though can we ask you to please leave us roleplayers at peace in our tavern? Bringing an OOC mob in there is very disruptive for those that do want to roleplay seriously.

Zan, the post above yours is the universal excuse from the GMs/Devs about something. I've heard it a ton of times before; you can't criticize or suggest something to them, or else they'll get really defensive and say their way is better without a logical explanation as to how and why.

There weren't even any newer players in the last event I saw (Geanna and Cleaning Kran). Everyone in that event were people that I'd seen and roleplayed with in the past, and JUST because of the label, their personalities were completely different. They all cared more about the reward than acting like their character would, and even though it was said that you should act as your character in these events, that's obviously not how you progress in them.

Using "I have a ton of work to do" isn't an excuse at all. Sure, you work hard, good for you, you volunteered. If you're going to host events as a "branch" of this work, make sure you do it correctly. This game is about roleplay, not rewards, and if you're going to completely ignore what people do and just go with whatever storyline you wanted, what's the point?

There was another event where there was this guy upstairs in the tavern (some Ynnwn) that had his daughter abducted or something. About eighty people crowded around him and started making a ton of noise, causing all of this fuss over something that they wouldn't even care about if it was a normal label. I finally had enough of the noise and, literally, had my character try to kick the GM guy down the stairs and out the door to get him to find his daughter.

Guess what? Completely ignored.

You have no perspective at all. You just do this to give out some reward at the end, which doesn't inspire any sort of RP for newer players. Instead I would see it as "I should go find the guy with the yellow label! He can give me stuff!"

And to Proglin: What you said to begin with is exactly WHY labels should be removed. When you removed the labels, no one joined because the event storyline and plot was, I'm just gonna come out and say it, boring. No one would CARE if a Kran is shirking his duties ICly, but when they see that blue label they ALL swarm around him because they KNOW there will be some type of reward at the end. If these events even have a hope of being hosted ICly, then they should be made into something that peoples' CHARACTERS would care about.

Edit:

Suno I just don't understand why you deal with things this way. If you didn't like something about the GM event, why didn't you take the time to sit down figure out the problem and perhaps a solution or suggestion or even state what the problem is and that you have no solutions but you just wanted to point them out. Instead you leave these angry messages and you take it out on the GM's. Don't you understand they work really hard? Your ignorant rant will only discourage them and make them feel like you don't give a rats ass what they do just as long as they fix what you complaint about. I guess you really just don't understand how much it takes to make an event happen. It is impossible to make everyone happy as you so nicely pointed out.

Zorbels, what do you think this thread is? It states a solution (removing labels) that would encourage roleplay and benefit the overall environment. I've stated the problem (people only joining because of the label and reward), so now if you guys stop complaining that you have all this work to do and your way is better, something could be done. I've said my part, why can't I get a real response?

[Earl_Listbard]

Meh stop it please?

I used to be a GM, and when I was we discussed turning off labels quite often. We even tested it at the time. When we did an event without coloured labels, no one joined. Even serious RP peeps did not react. There are loads of players that want to join in for some RP. People's greed will sometimes prevail and make people join in for just the rewards. I myself loved joining and hosting for the fun of it.

I think there's something to say for both sides, just that I tend to stick with those that experienced both sides. It is meant to be fun. If you do not like them, like Hanix said, then by all means don't join in and have fun elsewhere. But allow others their fun as well. It's impossible all 80 participants are in it for the awards. So in my humble oppinion, it would be best if the duscussion ends with a "live and let live" kinda quote.

Rightly so progy old bean - the simple fact that people join only because of the colored label is very ooc, after all if I made a character and went into the plaza and asked people to follow me somewhere, I wouldn't have a huge army following me, I'd be lucky to get one person. It makes people act out of character, emo self-righteous samurai like menkis act like puppies and follow around random people they've never met (cough).... Everyone drops what they're doing in hopes of some grand reward, they are driven oocly, not icly to help this random person. It kills rp.

I'm sorry but I agree with suno 100% - its lame.

[zorbels]

Rightly so progy old bean - the simple fact that people join only because of the colored label is very ooc, after all if I made a character and went into the plaza and asked people to follow me somewhere, I wouldn't have a huge army following me, I'd be lucky to get one person. It makes people act out of character, emo self-righteous samurai like menkis act like puppies and follow around random people they've never met (cough).... Everyone drops what they're doing in hopes of some grand reward, they are driven oocly, not icly to help this random person. It kills rp.

I'm sorry but I agree with suno 100% - its lame.

Colored labels OOC? Well so is walking through one and other. Guess what? Thats partly the players fault. They control the character. Why walk through people when you don't have to? Just like why focus on the most stupidest issue rather than the more important. Sorry guys but I am not buying the "it ruins my roleplay" crap. You can turn off the labels. It doesn't ruin your Rp, you do because you let it bother you. The GM's can't control other players. You will always have those who just join for the reward. Quit making it out to be that it is the Gm's responsibility to fix that. It is YOUR responsibility as players.

[Suno_Regin]

Zorbels, before I even give a reply to that, can you tell me what this thread's about? >.>

You seem to be skimming and saying things that have nothing to do with the topic itself.
If I turn off the labels, that changes absolutely nothing about what these events are doing.

[Caarrie]

you guys have issues with labels and colors, how about you see how it works in the next release with introductions where no char will see the label of the gms in the events unless they /introduce themselves to everyone around them so you can see the label.

[Suno_Regin]

you guys have issues with labels and colors, how about you see how it works in the next release with introductions where no char will see the label of the gms in the events unless they /introduce themselves to everyone around them so you can see the label.

The entire reason that GMs don't change their label color, that I see, is so that "more people can participate." Obviously that means that they will be introducing themselves to everyone. Once again, that solves nothing.