GM Events

[Dajoji]

• Your IC entries will be mixed with tons of other entries and sometimes they will be missed. As you may know by experience when 5-10 people are speaking to you, it is hard to react to every single entry. Sudden actions don't work so well in events because the event's course is decided by the decisions made by the majority of the participants. If you try to do it on your own and leave the group behind, chances are the GM won't follow you. This means that, for example, if you decide to go talk to an npc, there won't be a GM impersonating them. Or that if you decide to attack the GM char, you won't be allowed to as long as the other players haven't had a chance to receive all the information that character has to give them so they can fulfill their part in the event. Unfortunately, we cannot help this. We try to please everyone but we must make sure no one is left behind too. Now, if you RP that same aggressiveness at a speed that includes the crowd so they too have time to react, it will succeed.

Firstly I want to say I agree and that your rules do sound agreeable for gm events. They make a lot of sense.

The quoted portion above was something that happened to stick out to me though and made me think of a gm event I once participated in. In the event I was trying to kill the gm (not a surprise as it seems my only reason for coming) and found that he or she did not respond. What I did appreciate greatly was that many of the players involved tried to stop me. At first they were not able to but the GM still ignored my attack, though some of the other characters had turned their attention to what I was doing. After a bit my character was stopped by the others. What I'm saying here is not to go of on a rant or to say anyone is neglecting their job. Its to say that I hope these rules are enforced, not just said to quiet the fighting and only partially followed.

Like stated in the part you quoted, if you attack an event character before they have fulfilled their mission in the event chances are you are not getting your way. Hopefully they will notice your entry and react in some way, that would be the best. For this I suggest making a few entries before the attack in the form of threats or IC insults, so that the GM can use that to ask the other players for help. If you attack out of the blue you give the GM the impression that you want to hijack the event and they won't allow it (the easiest way being ignoring it). I think there's a fair compromise in slowing down. That way what you do is more likely to have an impact in the event.

Suggestion:
If GMs are emphasizing newbies to get into roleplay (although I read they arent doing so), why arent the rpers, who think GM events lack depths and sense (be it for the sake of newbies get into it more easily), go and sort of unofficially drag advanced newbies into more serious roleplay?
After all.. rewards? Leave them up to the newbies! A bucket can be roleplayed, no? Not that the latter though would encourage newbies to "also" roleplay with "common" chars.

Events are for everyone, not only newbies and not only experienced players. I don't know where you get the impression that they are exclusive for one or the other. Also, being a newbie does not mean you don't know how to roleplay. As a matter of fact I remember you took part of one of my events along with a very new player and you both roleplayed like pros. She just needed to know what the heck "you've been registered for a GM event" meant.

[Rayken]

Suno, you've raised a lot of Valid points.  Underthemoon and Dajoji and Proggy have mostly covered anything I would add to the discussion.  Just please be aware that we do think about such things, and it is something we are working on.  I hope to get back to event-ing in the not-too distant future (it's hard because of my timezone and current computer problems), and it will be my priority to keep things as IC as possible.  Yes, the GM label suddenly making everyone interested in what is going on is pretty OOC.  At the same time, without the label, chances are good that no one will be interested. 

[Velh Krome]

No need to remind me of that event, Dajoji, that one was huge! And.. it didnt involve that tag=P Maybe a reason for why it wasnt that (over-)crowded? These days I think that coloring-option was rather new, and it gave me some hope events will be held in a similar way.

I am referring to Hanix:

People like you seem to forget that there are new players that are still learning RP and the game itself. When a yellow name appears they know its something special and taking part not only helps the learn to RP but what PS is all about.

and to this..

I just hope i dont see you taking part in any of the future events we host.

Taking that for granted, why isnt the given suggestion a way? At least as a nudge for the players to change mind about the topic a bit?

After all, your pevious post bares a whole lot of valid explanations and reasons, Dajoji (Sorry, read it after i wrote).
okay, maybe the more, involve people, as many as possible of them, but right due to that fact, also newer players will partake which makes it a bit of a mess, since the latter ones arent very familiar with the setting. What I would love to see is, plots officially played out to be closest to the setting as possible, and making sense (even with the rewards, if there are any at all!)
So take out the separation from my words, but make it an addition and an encouragement for more experienced players.
(And no, I never am against leaving out newer players who are eager to get into roleplaying)

One more note:

without the label, chances are good that no one will be interested.

I think, chances could be, if people are used to GMs dont use any obvious mark like the label, people may roleplay much more, like always staying ic, cos.. always a GM could await behind the corner.

[Raa]

Have the label-less GM chars ever actually walked up to a player and asked for help? It could be that they're not within hearing range. Or the GM chars could use /shout instead of /say plus an exclamation mark...

[Caarrie]

Have the label-less GM chars ever actually walked up to a player and asked for help? It could be that they're not within hearing range. Or the GM chars could use /shout instead of /say plus an exclamation mark...

and why would they use should or an exclamation mark? they are trying to be in character and those might not be something their type of char would use or do.

[Raa]

Are you saying that no character should use an exclamation mark, or that all GM chars are extremely quiet?

[Caarrie]

Are you saying that no character should use an exclamation mark, or that all GM chars are extremely quiet?

no i am saying each gm's event char acts differently and shouts and exclamation marks might not fit their char so it would ooc for them to do so just to get attention.

[Raa]

walked up to a player and asked for help

Or the GM chars could use /shout instead of /say plus an exclamation mark...

[Caarrie]

walked up to a player and asked for help

Or the GM chars could use /shout instead of /say plus an exclamation mark...

I really dont know why i try, people dont read what i say or listen to me, i give up.....

[Raa]

It's just two suggestions. They can find any way to get help, but if they just say, "Help me... Oh, please, help me... Someone help," it's not gonna work, both IC and OOC.

[Dajoji]

Trust me on this one, we've tried using player labels and it hasn't worked nearly as well. I prefer NPC labels myself or avoid event characters completely if possible by impersonating npcs. Maybe some people will join in thinking only about the reward but that's better than dragging one poor player for an hour while waiting for others to join and actually get the event started.

[Velh Krome]

Hm okay, perhaps not every sort of event would work actually.. that Levitation one was guided by sort of a note, or something unusual however.
Why not just doing both? Use the labels now and then for also getting masses in it, but "hidden" ones like that one as well?
After all that label-thing could work for spreading setting, as you would have a crowd to hear your word. These ones would probably have to be more linear and strictly guided in its plot. "Hidden" ones could be more variable and involving chars influence since you wouldnt have to give that many shoutings attention at once.

[Paranoia]

[sorry for my english]

im shocked. first answer from GM-Hanix in this thread was so disapointing.
Suno came up with idea i find great - to not use yellow labels.

but then i read the answer:
"If you dont like it, dont take part, simple!"

yeah, Suno doesnt like it, but he cares.
and you Hanix, sound like you dont.
eh, life.

[Under the moon]

Paranoia, please read at least some of the other posts here. Suno's 'idea' is not great or helpful.

The Yellow labels have their place and purpose as a tool, like a bullhorn. Anyone who says to get rid of the tool just because they don't like how it was used a few times is simply wrong.

[Zwenze]

I think the green label won't solve the biggest issue. As soon as someone rp's with a green labeled guy and sees a "You have been registered for XYZ event" he will send out tells and the event will suffer in a same way as if the labels are yellow, red, blue, pink or any other label color you don't like. The labels aren't the problem, its the players reaction. And no label color will fix that.