Wipe

[eldoth_terevan]

There have been serious exploits and bugs in the past that have given many characters large benefits that have never been addressed with a wipe. The lack of a wipe at the beginning of the year caused players to leave after the dupe bug fiasco, because these imbalances were not addressed. There were older exploits and bugs that were never addressed either, whose characters are still active on the system. So its not just to clean the database, it is to make the playing field fair for everyone. And that includes anyone who as built PP from the NPC server being down. And that is essentially everyone. We have all always known that the wipe was coming. Bring it on!

[RoberetGoldsmith]

 Well i think ive been convinced for a wipe...

  Raa and Jeraphon seem to be right.

 Go for it then, press the button

[Aiwendil]

I voted for no too...But I think it wouldn't matter that much too me. Surly I would continue to play PS. But I like most of my characters and their history/life and I want to keep them. Okay, a wipe would allow me to try out some new ideas, but I still have some for my actual characters. So in conclusion I'd say, do a wipe if absolute necessary, but try to do it as late as possible. Or allow us to keep out characters...

Hello all,
I grew fond of my character and I think I would keep on playing after a wipe, but not with Zakrei, there are so many little things that happened to him during this almost one year that cannot be recreated.

Oh, I really would miss that enki and his mother's wisdom

[Cyl]

Wipe? Hell yeah!

[Rinha]

Let's think. If there is a wipe (assuming it's a total wipe)...

Pros:
- Players get to start equally.
I voted yes. 

In this point i dont see a pro argument. There will always be new players with lower levels than experienced players.

[eldoth_terevan]

There will always be new players with lower levels, but we are talking about the majority of older players that have taken advantage (either on purpose or not so) of bugs and exploits in the system. This is what he means by starting equally.

[ianislavus]

Let's think. If there is a wipe (assuming it's a total wipe)...






I voted yes.  ....."but I don't know why actually" 

THINK!!! There is no need to wipe stats related to specified character.
VOTE NO

Edit: There is no need to quote a whole post to illustrate a single point

[Eriroley]

I boted NO!

I have spent waaaay too much time getting to where I was.   
if a wipe happens, that means a lot of expended effort just went for naught! 

now, if there were signs of rampant cheating, then a database purge of those committing
the most cheating would be more effective, would it not?

why punish everyone for the actions of a few?

I've spent a good amount of time recently fixing exploitable quests - Some of these there's no way to figure out who exploited it unless we catch them in the act, and even then it's very hard to prove.
- personally I wish more players were honest, and reported an exploit when they found it, rather than keeping it to themselves, and using it

[Raa]

Hello all,
I voted on no, i thought about the pros and cons. I grew fond of my character and I think I would keep on playing after a wipe, but not with Zakrei, there are so many little things that happened to him during this almost one year that cannot be recreated.  If i would have to start all over again, i would do things differently. And the result wouldn't be Zakrei anymore. Some parts of him are due to some error I made or things someone else said. And what about the people he met, the guild and the friends ? It wouldn't be the same anymore.

You don't need to restart your character's history.

Let's think. If there is a wipe (assuming it's a total wipe)...

Pros:
- Players get to start equally.
I voted yes. 

In this point i dont see a pro argument. There will always be new players with lower levels than experienced players.

What I mean is that everyone who plays now can restart equally. Not sure how it would help for that specific reason, but a some people like to whine about uber-levelled or weakling characters. I was actually trying to say that some players have cheated and used exploits to gain an unfair advantage over modest players. It would be fair if everyone could just start over again without people like that ruining the game.

I voted yes because I'm sick of all these bugs and lags and crashes and unaddressed exploiters and such.

[Jawn]

The question is: how necessary is it to wipe now? Is the server so strained with data that a wipe is the only way to debug it efficiently? Are new mechs that make the current ones obsolete, and as a consequence, the advancement achieved by current characters incompatible going to be released? Is the economy problem going to be fixed from the core? Have serious exploits and bugs been found that only a wipe can fix?

If the answer is yes, then smite them all! Wipe everything, I say. In fact, I'd love to throw a doomsday event. Can't wait for v.1.0

That pretty well sums up how i feel. None of that has been shown - so far - to be the case, so i went with no. But if such ~is~ the case....

why didn't you say so? (or did i miss it?  )

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[Rinha]

Hello all,
I voted on no, i thought about the pros and cons. I grew fond of my character and I think I would keep on playing after a wipe, but not with Zakrei, there are so many little things that happened to him during this almost one year that cannot be recreated.  If i would have to start all over again, i would do things differently. And the result wouldn't be Zakrei anymore. Some parts of him are due to some error I made or things someone else said. And what about the people he met, the guild and the friends ? It wouldn't be the same anymore.

You don't need to restart your character's history.

Let's think. If there is a wipe (assuming it's a total wipe)...

Pros:
- Players get to start equally.
I voted yes. 

In this point i dont see a pro argument. There will always be new players with lower levels than experienced players.

What I mean is that everyone who plays now can restart equally. Not sure how it would help for that specific reason, but a some people like to whine about uber-levelled or weakling characters. I was actually trying to say that some players have cheated and used exploits to gain an unfair advantage over modest players. It would be fair if everyone could just start over again without people like that ruining the game.

I voted yes because I'm sick of all these bugs and lags and crashes and unaddressed exploiters and such.

And you think a full wipe would be the end of bug abusing? Sorry, in my opinion this is a bit naive.

[eldoth_terevan]

The issue is past bugs that have been fixed, but the benefits that the abusers got were never corrected. Future bugs and exploits are something else, and wipes will need to follow those sorts of cases as well. It may not be today or this year, but all the data for the characters is getting wiped in the future. It would just be easier to test this puppy if we were not walking on tenderhooks about deleting character data.

[Dihenis]

I don't want a wipe now, I'm raising money for an event. 

I do think we need one, just after my event

[Erisnas]

I would prefer a partial wipe, one that while deleting our skills and items, leaves the characters and their histories intact.  That way you eliminate anything gained illegally (from a random bug) or lost while still having players keep their characters and well thought out stories.  On a similar note I believe that since the current PS year is 750, any characters created after the 1.0 release would be born in 751+.  That way you could justify the pre-1.0 characters from new ones, a small little trophy for those who have supported PS. 

[Izzabella]

okay this issue keeps being brought up as an argument but we were already told a char wipe WILL Not have any effect on lag.

second someone else said it would be fair to keep guild houses...NO.. how is that fair? the guilds that don't have them yet but had tria saved up will have to start saving again..and everyone that has them will basically get it for free, cause everyone else lost everything they had.

@ Xillix only:
I just want to know really, are you guys really considering a wipe? just seeing what the community actually wants? or just playing a joke all together?

what would be the biggest bennift of doing a wipe now as opposed to a wipe with 1.0 comes out?