Wipe

[Xillix Queen of Fools]

This is not a joke.

No wipe is currently specifically planned.

I wanted to gauge player reaction today.

There will be wipes before 1.0, all testers MUST become comfortable with this idea.

Our reasons are variously expressed here (or we cannot say due to nda). The single biggest one is a clean slate will let us tweak more of the base economy. We also need a clean slate to have honest usage statistics from player accounts.

The longer we wait, the huger the outcry.

It may not happen soon, but it WILL happen.

Zan and others if you read the thread fully, partial wipes are possible, such as to retain descriptions, but it is more complicated for us.

[Agbeladem]

Is it really worth roleplaying from naught ? C'mon, be serious. We all like our characters' history, and if anybody doesn't, then he shall be known he just have to create a new one...
It seems some people think it would make the game perfect, but as said before, the graphics are the main cause of those terrible laggs (I really mean it !). Besides, as said before too, this is not the final version : WHAT DO WE CARE IF PEOPLE ARE CHEATING ? Let'em have fun while they can........ let's make the big wipe when version 1 comes, until then, I want my character to leave. (Guess what ? A Kran who has lived less than one year, doesn't that sound insane?)

Nono, don't even think about making a total wipe and deleting the characters. Besides, are there really so many "big" cheaters ? Who abused exploits like crazy ? I don't think that's too much...


But still, yeah, just don't, take this as a compliment : I like the game the way it actually is. I think you shall wipe all stats when all races are finally ready-to-use...

I vote..  NO

[sluggo]

NO WIPE NO.  It would be a great way to lose all of your loyal players. SAY NO TO WIPES

--GAREROD

[zorbels]

This is the point really. It all boils down to this one tinny tiny quote.
 

If you started a character in the hopes to keep it permanent, you came at the wrong time. I'm not trying to be cold, but when you see 0.3 anything, you shouldn't expect longevity from your character. If you're thinking of leaving because you're about to lose a character, you should have joined a game that was fully developed in the first place.

I really think this should be a banner on the forums or something. Perhaps in the message of the day box when logging into game? Heck, Jeraphon can I put this in my siggy? XD 

The Dev's have been straight up with us players from the begining about the wipe. Prepare yourselves peoples. It will be happening in the future, it is only a matter of time. Makes me laugh to think that some of the people crying they spent so much time on the characters will not be here when the wipe happens.   

I have spent waaaay too much time getting to where I was.   

So did the characters that have been here for years. It isn't a question of how much time you have invested into your character. We have all put time in whether it be large or small. When the wipe comes I think we will all feel a loss. That doesn't mean that we can't start new and fresh and make better what is wrong. Seriously this is just a game. Think of it like this ..... at least PlaneShift has replay value.

Cons
- Powerlevellers can keep on levelling.

I don't think its fair to punish everyone for what a few players are doing, if this is because of powerlevelers.

If people play the game only for leveling, then they should leave - wipe or not.

In my opinion it isn't "power levelers" that are a problem. It is "bug exploiters".

Your not going to get rid of powerlevelers. They will be right back at it after a wipe, BUT they will NOT be getting their progression points, loot and experience from a bug. They will be literally earning it paying with their OWN time. There will always be power levelers. They have just as much right to be here as the roleplayer. I have seen the Dev's post this opinion many of times stating it doesn't matter which you are as long as you don't exploit bugs. I don't see why everyone has a negitive out look on power levelers anyway. They are obviously enjoying the game if they continue to come back day after day fighting NPC's. They have fun dueling with one and other. Some of the time they even convert to RPer's after becoming tired of leveling or simply leveling to the point that they can level no more. The only thing wrong with power leveling is exploiting bugs to level up faster. Guess what? Roleplayers do that too.

[Raa]

Loyal players wouldn't leave. That would be contradiction.

Wipes only delete data, not a character's history. There's a difference between roleplay and mechanics. Now, if the wipes were meant to erase all history in Yliakum, then I'd vote no. But the devs would never do something as ridiculous as that. (Pointing this out again since a few people don't get this...)

Edit:

One more thing. Seeing Zorbels's post, I want to also point out that my post with the pros and cons wasn't the reason for the wipe, but what would result from it.

[Josel Caldesen]

I voted no, and I would post a long and eloquent reason as to why, but seeing as the thread is already 8 pages long, it would probably only get two or three reads. The main reasons are: less RP due to more training and less RP due to less unique characters, (everbody is the same until someone has trained lots and is 'impossible to defeat' - which subconsciously affects our RP treatment of them)

[Jeraphon]

Heck, Jeraphon can I put this in my siggy?

You've got my permission.

And you're absolutely right. I have no problem with powerlevellers (or as I call them, diamonds or spade/diamonds.) The game might currently be tailored to hearts (roleplayers) but if diamonds get some joy out of levelling and collecting tria, then I'm not about to deny them that. Heck, if there are some clubs out there who come for the arena and the duelling, then more power to them.

But that's 

Let's move on, shall we?

[Duraza]

If there is to be a wipe I'd say a partial wipe. Only take out our stats, inventory, etc. I don't really care either way. I don't really want to lose all of my items, money, stats, etc but wouldn't mind possibly being able to have reason to train and actually keep up instead of feeling hopelessly behind. I just want to keep my character names...

[Nikodemus]

Ss the DB that much broken?
If it is not broken, don't wipe, sooner or late people get mad skills and money too, so no point to make a wipe just to have clean start for everyone.
The normal state is population where older has what they been working on when young.
Unnormal state is after a wipe, where everyone has nothing.

But if you really make a wipe, keep everything, what people wasn't working skilling or farming.
I see no point for deleting guilds, chars, descriptions and alike, what for?

[Under the moon]

I have read every post in this thread (unlike some others who obviously have not), and fully understand the reasons of why or why not. I am not going to debate those reasons. Instead, I am going to ask a question. This question is for the 'no wipe' people. What would make it worth it for you to have a wipe? Think long and hard on this. "nothing" is not an acceptable answer.

Let me give a few examples: If all bugs (or many) were fixed, but the system had to be wiped to implement the update, I would be fine with a full wipe.

If old character/guild data was causing crashes, I would want a full wipe.

If training was completely redone to be more fun with less grinding, I would be fine with a stat and money wipe.

If it was not just a simple wipe, but an In Character epic event of unparalleled scope written by the best of the best writers, then I would be fine with a full wipe.

So the question is, what is your 'If'? What would make you say: "Yes, wipe the system." (or partial wipe)


Thread branched, please answer here: http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=31481.0

[Xillix Queen of Fools]

I have read every word of this thread.

Try to extract the emotion out of your posts people, be objective. 

[Armaniaflip]

Xillix can you fix the email verification system?

[Caarrie]

Xillix can you fix the email verification system?

first this has nothing to do with this thread, so 

Second xillix is one of the many devs that have no access and no responibilty for fixing it. So for now just wait and wait and some time soon it will work again when one of the few devs that can fix it get around to it.

[Xillix Queen of Fools]

Armaniaflip, it is being investigated.


For everyone else, thank you for your votes we now have a much better understanding of your current feelings.

You are testers, enjoy the game but do so knowing your purpose is to advance the game's playability over time.

[steuben]

it feels like a lot of the reasponces against the wipe has been along the lines of i don't want to loose my pretties. and a lot of the yes responces are along the lines of ouch that is going to hurt, but i still know who i know, and "i have my life to live over, nowing what I know now." (bonus, not points, not cookes, but brownies if you can name the source of that line.)

a full wipe won't be undertaken lightly. the dev team will debate it long and hard. if they can get away with a much more focused wiped will be done. but, everyonce in a while you just have to take everything back to zero and rebuild it. at the risk of quoting myself, a wipe isn't an end. it is merely a new beginning. i survived 2 full wipes and a handful of partials, or something like that, after 3 odd years it all gets a bit hazy. but i knew coming in it was going to happen. each time a full wipe occured it gave me a chance to rebuild my characters. since the last big wipe there have been many new additions to the settings, and more yet to come down the pipes. religion perhaps is the bigest of the lot. when i first built my chars there was really only talad, laanx, atheiest, and i think blackflame. i chose athesiest because none of the other options fit well. but, as the settings have developed, for example, steuben has come to be more of xioxisa's ilk then any other. but, having invested such time in him, i'm not going to go back and rebuild his character just to bring him inline settings wise. i'll just play him that way. as the mechanics of the game continue to develop more, i know that the initial choices i made will eventually have a greater effect on the mechanics of my play. till the mechanics overwelm my choices or a wipe i'll continue on. when such a time comes, it will suck having to spend all that time working to rebuild his stats. but, if such is the second price i have to pay, the first being my soul, then i shall pay it gladly.

any game in development, mmorpgs more so, undergo wipes. allowing for the relative pace of delevopment planeshift, we are probably seriously lacking in the wipe department. so maybe we should have more wipes. if we want to play with the big boys we shouldn't slack on any metric. as a game matures in the development process wipes are necessary. planeshift is one of the very few games that have pulled back the curtain its development. you get to the gerbils running in the wheels, the guys running franticly with the wrenches, the 30 foot ladder being carried by the same guy at both ends. much of planeshift reflects this. the fact that a wipe is even being discussed is just a sign of much people are invited in to observe and participate in the development process. many other games, this would be fait acompli, it would occur without discussion or much warning. we all knew going in the planeshift is in alpha stages of development. at this stage wipes both big and small are a fact of development.

the true reality of a full wipe is, well to indulge in a bit of a vulgar metaphor, kind of like loosing my virginity. there was a bit of pain, a few tears, but it didn't stop me from coming back for more.