Do enkies purr?

[Jeraphon]

As far as I know the wiki language projects are mostly player driven and do not constitute official settings material. This may be wrong but has the settings team given them their stamp of official inclusion?

The enkien language as listed in that pswiki link is mostly player-created and to be considered non-canonical. You will only find a small number of words spoken by enkidukai NPCs in a non-common language (most notably, tabei.) Settings prefers that all NPCs speak Yliakum common in order to avoid exclusion, and also because it's...you know...COMMON. Will that stop PCs from using their created language? I doubt it.

However, saying that the enkien language consists of purrs is evidence that enkidukais purr is fallacious, because the enkien language isn't supported by settings. By that logic, someone could slip words into that language that consist of other bodily noises or English swear words, and use that as an excuse to roleplay as such. (Speaking of which, if you look at that list, do you really think settings would approve of the fact that the enkien word for "seven" is the same as the French slang for one's behind? No, clearly not.)

So, do they purr? I don't really remember. Why not go through every quest that involves an enkidukai and check? I know someone will, because people who roleplay enkidukais spade voraciously about every little aspect of enkidukai culture.

Good luck! 

[Zan]

Bah, I bet you do know Jeraphon but just want us to do your quests.

[Prolix]

Anyway that seems to lead us into a dead end (cul de sac -- literally bottom of bag.) Thanks Jer.

[Earl_Listbard]

Bleh, the pswiki should be removed then, because its very misleading.

[Caarrie]

Bleh, the pswiki should be removed then, because its very misleading.

then update it, it is a WIKI

[Jaelin]

I don't think the wiki should be ammended (much less taken down) due to non-canonical content on the subject of language.

This is a roleplaying game, and as such you have to expect some elements of character culture to develop from player interaction.  Not everything has to be spelled out 'to the T' by the game designers when it comes to the subject of character society... the social element of the game will evolve just as any other society's culture evolves over time.  e.g. 20 years ago no one would have known what you were talking about if you told them "i'm going to put some mp3s on my ipod", but now it's commonplace... no government passed laws on the creation of these words, they evolved naturally to reflect changes in culture and commerce.

It is thus expected that the user-created languages on the wiki reflect "para-language", they may not be official words but they can be understood by subcultures within the game (namely those that have learnt those languages).

Thus it stands to reason that some Enkies do indeed purr.  But as the Enkies are an intelligent race, some may choose not to purr, some may find purring socially unacceptable (like humans with burping), some may purr only in certain circumstances, others may purr uncontrollably.

The importance is that if you want your Enkie to purr, then purr away.

[Under the moon]

I think it is silly for 'purring' to be used commonly nowadays in a 'cat' language for two reasons.

A: Cats do not purr when they vocalize (AKA, speak). I have been around cats all my life, so am confident is saying they are two separate things that would be very hard to fit together.

B: No character in the game, Player or NPC, speaks fluently in their race language (with perhaps the exception of one). A few words may be known, but they are lost for the most part. A lot like Latin in the general population. Simply put, it is OOS (out of Settings ) for anyone to claim they have full working knowledge of the old tongues.

As for purring outside of talking. I don't really care one way or the other. More than one way to skin a cat, they say.

[Wren]

B: No character in the game, Player or NPC, speaks fluently in their race language (with perhaps the exception of one). A few words may be known, but they are lost for the most part. A lot like Latin in the general population. Simply put, it is OOS (out of Settings ) for anyone to claim they have full working knowledge of the old tongues.

Is this official?  Because there's at least one quest I can think of off the top of my head that contradicts it - a certain leathermaker with a flustered husband is stated as speaking/writing Dermorian as her native language.   And the use of "native language" (the quest's wording, not mine) pretty much rules out her knowing it just because she's scholarly.  And I can think of a couple other NPCs who clearly are at least fluentish in their race languages.

[Jeraphon]

Is this official?

Under the moon works as a prospect for the settings department, but does not speak for the settings department in an official capacity.

[Quq Leque]

if there's no cats in Yliakum, the description of 'Empathy' needs editing

[Zan]

A lot of skill descriptions need editing.

[Sangwa]

Some research will lead you to the conclusion that most felines either purr or are able to make purr-like sounds. In some references it says all can. While this is certainly irrelevant for the settings team, which, very wisely, prefer imagination and ease over logic-wise consistence, I still think it points out that enkies could purr, or do something similar, if they'd like. It would probably sound very different from a cat's purr though.

Purring shouldn't enter any language, just like laughter doesn't enter human language. That's just plain silly. However if an enkidukai would feel specifically happy about something, letting out a purr should be something normal. Like Jaelin said, lots of conditions could make purring rare, or common.

I'm not very keen on the concept that I'd have to do some quests to find more about this race either. I'd rather be plainly answered something. Mainly because I find quests boring and very weak on the character building part (expect that they help you get some hard earned knowledge.) Read the disclaimer bellow please.

[Ashton]

I'm bored waiting for my client to update and I'll give my $0.02 on the matter.

Yes.

ok, I'll elaborate. They are obviously based on cats, and given the fact their features can move (i.e. their ears and tails and such) it is obvious they have a muscle-structure like a feline, they also must have a simialr circulatory and nervous structure. Logic says that they shoudl purr.

I also agree that they've evolved beyond it, but I do think they woudl be capabe of hackign up hairballs... cant immagine a circumstance where tehy'd get that much hair injested but...

Somone mentioned fish and catnip, Fish simply are a greatly enjoyed dish, much like humans tend to overall really enjoy icecream or chcolate or pizza.  Catnip is a mild drug similar to tabacco or possibly more on the level of marajuana (if you watch a cat IRL given catnip tehy always melow out after tehy go balistic a minute or two, and some cats dont even go balistic, just get mellow (I have had 2/6 cats like this)).

Most of the time things get over-exadgerated either by the RPers or by the people who are reporting the activity to the forum.

Personally I like to see occasional use of cat bodylanguage or purs, hisses, etc denoting mood. I agree is somone is running around doing it absolutely randomly and basically beign a bother then they shoudl be told to calm it down, but otherwise I see no real problem with it... and if it bothers you, react to it, tell them they're bothering you or even challenge them to a duel. Tehy may stop or if tehy fight you you can send them to the death realm for a while and not be bugged anymore! (I dont see why people must take this to a GM when it can be resolved quite easily in RP...)

Just my $0.02, spend it wisely!

[Jeraphon]

If only people were as interested in other races' cultures as this.

A three-page discussion on purring?

SERIOUSLY?

How about something about ynnwns or dermorians? Or lemurs? Or, heck, ylians? It's a well-known fact that there's more stuff about enkidukai culture than all the other races combined. If there's anything I've learned from this thread it's that the other races need attention. What's next, a thread about "do enkis get urinary tract infections?"

[Donari Tyndale]

Interesting, Jeraphon. I think they get urinary tract infections, due to their feline nature and the fact that e=mc².