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Anybody there? Hmmm...
« on: March 19, 2008, 07:42:13 pm »
*Noriin shyly gives the place a cautious gaze. Looks to her right, her left.. finally up then down and again peeks around. She hesitates for a moment and finally outers "H-hello? Anybody.. there?", unfortunately recieving not a reply but the sole sound of the wind blowing against the walls of the deserted town's houses...*


Ahh the good old PS folks, here we are! We have a fancily renamed Steel Blue, some bugs fixed and some new features added, a wide range of weapons and armors to use along with some few new animations and tools for the new crafts. Yep, we have some new stuff to do in-game! And hey, we better are given some because either way there is nothing else to do! And roleplaying being relegated to the plane of "anything else" in a game that is meant to mostly focus on roleplaying is hardly the direction I would expect such game to develop into.

I'm uncertain about what's the reason -if there is only one- for the actual situation of Planeshift, but I very doubt I'm the only one that has noticed that since 0.4 there is rarely anything happening at all anywhere, not at the plaza, not at Kada's, not at Brado's, not at the Gugrontid's tavern.. The last evening I checked those three taverns, three spots where characters ought to interact at (yep, not the players..) but guess what: nobody was there! That's when I do a /who, just in case I haven't noticed and I'm alone in the server but nope, definitely not. Over 190 players online, but I couldn't find anybody who is hanging out just for the sake of meeting other people.. and not roleplaying their characters only because they need to sell their chunks or to get a new sword to keep grinding a shortcut. Perhaps the fact that the world is pretty large for such a low amount of people would be point, let's face the truth.. 200 players aren't that many, the least when most of them are stuck in the same place.

You can call it introductions system, you can call it new features, guild houses, or you can call it greed and platinum mine. Whatever changes happened the last times seem to have pushed most of the players -away of PS or- to headlessly run around and out of Hydlaa, which was always the center of attention and where big events (obviously not talking about GM events here) used to happen or begin. But now we have a new center of the world in the Gugrontid, rather odd considering that it's just the krans' town. Was ever Ojaveda the main focus of the players, maybe BD? Don't think so. Something seems to be unbalanced here..

I've long been reading posts about how wrong hanging around Harns is and how poor is that all the roleplay happens there and whatnot. That makes me smile. Probably then it must be better now that there is nothing happening there at all, neither anywhere else! Am I the only one that needs 2 hours of running around to find somebody able and up to roleplay? I question now, was (yes, past form) it wrong to have a meeting point where most people able to play this game would gather and make the game alive? You'd say that would be rather usual that in a big city there would be such a place if not more, the tavern, the main plaza, the gardens, there are actually some pretty spots in town, enough for people to engage in interesting conversations without the need of searching desperately for each other.

It has been almost a month since Steel Blue came to us and the time of eagerly testing and trying everything that's new should already be gone, at least for people who used to like interacting with others IC. Desertion didn't seem to happen after other updates, in fact we used to gather around Harns to comment the play with each other and try some new stuff.. not even that this time. In my eyes and considering my experience these last weeks in-game, it seems clear that 90% of the current players do only care for making a heavier coinpurse and raising up their lvl counters. Not that I could dare complain about that (yepyep, everybody must enjoy the game their way, even if its endlessly hitting a shrotcut for 1000 tria chunks) but that would leave us with about 20 roleplayers online in the best time ranges.. And honestly, these 20 need to be meeting somewhere, it's sad that they are all running around trying to find another of those same 20 that can give them some entertainment. I don't mind if it's a tavern, a park, Harns, or the burial wells, but unless roleplayers organize, more and more will stop logging in.. I know a few that already did.. and I don't even play that much nowadays myself.

What has changed so much since 0.20 for everything feels this quiet now?
Do we have a way to make it better (if not revert to how it used to be) and bring some life to certain spots that ought to be populated?


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PS: The thread isn't in the complaint department because it's meant to start a civilized discussion on how to improve the current status, if all you have to do is to rant please use another thread ;)

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Re: Anybody there? Hmmm...
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2008, 08:11:52 pm »
But... my roleplay is centered around the furnaces, iron, and coal mines, because I'm a steel worker.  I'll hit the bars occasionally, but I have work to do.  Getting drunk means I have more work to do, or that I get caught up with the guards because someone decided to do something rash (which is fun for me, but not for my character).  I have the stats I want (but some can't level due to the bug, oh well), and as such, don't need cash.

But I like refining and making steel.  I like interacting with miners, and blacksmiths, when things are bought and sold.  I enjoy complaining about the platinum mine to my ore suppliers (who are charging more :D), saying that it drives prices around like a drunken goujah.  Why should my roleplay surround some political or social intrigue?  I'm not that kinda Ylian; I don't like politics.

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« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2008, 08:14:02 pm »
My prophecy for this thread:

1. Gets locked
2. Entire dev department comments here on how wrong you are, along with the suck-ups that don't go in-game but just sit around to agree with whatever the "winning team" says
3. It gets moved to the complaint department and faces the effects of 1 and 2

I agree with what you've said, but I've raised the same discussions before, and I know they won't get anywhere.

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« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2008, 08:14:40 pm »
Yeah, I've noticed the same thing. Right after I downloaded 4.whatever, it seemed as if everyone had died. Sometimes you'd find a lot of people hanging around in some popular places, but half of them were no fun to roleplay with. And usually I stray away from random crowds of people because all I'll get is a bunch of Someones, and it's no fun to be around a bunch of people you can't recognize, and if you're trying to meet someone, they'll likely ignore you because there's nothing special about being a Someone. The platinum mine has even attracted meself, though it's pretty annoying to hang there with all the noob/auction spam going on...

I'd say it's the new introduction system and Gurgartundigarntid... or... whatever it's called. Whether people realize it or not, having to /introduce to everyone, usually more than once, gets a bit boring and tiring, and eventually affects our poor little minds, and creates an unusual disorder called introfrustritis syndrome... Often this causes cynical behavior toward the game mechanics and frustration to hearing Someone or [Unknown]. Usually the affected person will experience withdrawal from IG social interaction and indifference toward unknown players.

...Yeah.

I'm sure it's the game features that have done this to RPers. A long time ago, the game mechanics sucked worser, and people had to use their imaginations morer, so they were a much closerer-knitted community. Like... You can't play D&D all on your own, but you can play RuneScape alone. It's all in the game features.

This post sounds so stoopid, hehe.

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Re: Anybody there? Hmmm...
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2008, 08:15:13 pm »
I fear I understand ... have you ever been lonely at Harnquists forge? - Sometimes, now, you can. Because almost everyone has platinum fever.

Praise people like Lolitra, Ileresa and Yadili, Sacid, and whoever brings life into this world by an own personality, and creative roleplaying (even next to the mines and furnaces). They make my second family. Those others, stay in your new guild houses you will have one day. Or get some air right now, before you choke. ;)

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Re: Anybody there? Hmmm...
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2008, 08:23:03 pm »
Oh my dear friend Noriin!

I am at such a loss. How can I role play without knowing who I am role-playing with? I meet some ‘old’ friends in game and introduced myself to find the next time I went into game their names where unknown to me again.

How much I miss you! We had so much fun together, you Velh, Roti and I. But now it seems the best I can do is send you tells to say, ‘Hi’. Find me a solution to this problem and I will gladly come back and play with you again. For now it is like being blind. I cannot see you.
* Leama cries that I cannot figure out what to do.

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Re: Anybody there? Hmmm...
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2008, 08:47:17 pm »
First of all, I still hope this wont end up in some complaining/ranting thread, since this is not its intention. I think to make aware of certain development should be allowed for things can turn to a better experience. After all, Noriin pictured her point of view and how she experienced things lately, and I cant but agree with the main points.
With our Collective we had certain rp-plots going on. Even with our good will and motivation to circumvent problems and difficulties the still flawing introduction-system provides, theres just no point in it, since its hard to find anyone at all these days. After 1-2 hours of roaming and searching, just my mood decreases to still go into any serious roleplay anymore.

To change the current situation of the very majority of all people hanging out in the platinum mine is simple: Change it similar to how Repairing works. Cheapest ores minable from Mining level zero on, platinum which is paid that well shouldnt be to gather with levels.. say less than 50 or so. That way miners again would spread all over the current world.

Suno, I received quite a few comments form other players and most of them agreed with the statement of the initial post. I wont expect the devs to come here to say this is all wrong, since one can easily see when visiting the once living places. While all my time in PS now there was hardly ever a moment Harns was deserted, today it seems to be the standard. Or take Kada's.. to "accidentally" meet someone in there would probably surprise me a whole lot. If you want to meet people today, you need to go to the platinum mine.

Ravenguard, if you develop a miner/crafter/blacksmith char there of course is nothing wrong hanging out at the appropriate places. After all thats your place to be, and smithies and mines have to be crowded and given life as well! But so have to be places like taverns and shops! I dont want to believe that nowadays almost all the rpers are spending their time in the mines! After all that place always was that full of people like a pile of dung frequented by flies (or the ice-man surrounded by kids yelling for ice, if that picture suits you more;)).

We had an idea of dragging rpers to another place (for this or that reason however..), a little garden in Hydlaa that is. People who also leave Gugrontid now and then and come to Hydlaa would have to pass. Maybe such a place could evolve to a spot with more interaction then transfers from miners to crafters or auction including the auctioneer's name.
So again, this is not to point out the "guilty one", but to find a solution! I would like to know, where you folks stroll now?

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« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2008, 08:53:09 pm »
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2. Entire dev department comments here on how wrong you are, along with the suck-ups that don't go in-game but just sit around to agree with whatever the "winning team" says

Nope. He's right, but I don't see how it's the fault of the devs that players only congregate and roleplay around the places where there's "stuff to do." People can and should roleplay everywhere. That might happen when we get a larger playerbase: one can only hope. Would holding GM events sway more people into roleplaying in different areas? Yes, but only temporarily, and again because that's viewed as "stuff to do." Will newbies be in trouble? Only if they're not krans and they find themselves only talking to NPCs in Yliakum's largest cities because all the PCs are suddenly roleplaying miners and ore merchants.

Is the solution to close the platinum mine? No, because everyone will go back to congregating at Harnquist's. All we can really do is suggest that people explore the varied world that is presented, spread themselves out, and find roleplaying opportunities where they can. But until then...happy mining, I guess.

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Cheapest ores minable from Mining level zero on, platinum which is paid that well shouldnt be to gather with levels.. say less than 50 or so. That way miners again would spread all over the current world.

I've pushed hard to make this possible. We're not there yet. Hopefully the huge numbers of platinum miners will be more convincing than my voice alone.

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« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2008, 08:57:04 pm »
Noriin and Velh,

I am not complaining, I want a solution too. Please know that.
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« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2008, 09:17:51 pm »
Oh, Leama I wasnt implying at all you would be complaining, nor anyone else, I just tried to avoid going into that direction=)

Jeraphon, I agree, even that drastic way, closing the platinum mine, wont be a solution. And also, this is surely nothing devs could fix just like that (nor is it their fault). After all I do think its about the players.
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That might happen when we get a larger playerbase
Since the server usually doesnt hold more than 200+ players simultaneously, is it capable at all of holding more, like say 500? Increasing the world's area by not increasing the possible numbers of online players at a time just has to result in less dense regions. (I am mostly interested on the capability thing. I am aware of server-stuff is expensive, the more for a volunteered and non-profit project like this)
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everyone will go back to congregating at Harnquist's
Thats true, and God knows I never fancied to have a meant to be loud and dirty smith to be the place to meet, but at least it was central and had the Plaza next where things of all kinds happened. From Hydlaa you can go to Winch, Oja and Bd region (plus now Gugrontid). But Gugrontid I think is just too remote to be the place to meet, and additionally the mines is just.. a muddy hill lol

Like I said we already have an idea and are motivated enough to change things a bit, will see if it works or not lol

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« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2008, 09:24:05 pm »
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Since the server usually doesnt hold more than 200+ players simultaneously, is it capable at all of holding more, like say 500? Increasing the world's area by not increasing the possible numbers of online players at a time just has to result in less dense regions. (I am mostly interested on the capability thing. I am aware of server-stuff is expensive, the more for a volunteered and non-profit project like this)

I don't know offhand. You'd have to ask the engine department.

As for Harnquist's, even with a huge plaza tailor-made for congregating and roleplaying, people just couldn't move the twelve steps away from the smithy. It's a bit distressing.

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Re: Anybody there? Hmmm...
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2008, 01:17:33 am »
Can't say I'm going to disagree that things are a bit quieter. However I'm sad that you don't have faith that things will get better Noriin  :P

Shhhh, I at least know that I have many plans to get things fun with some player started events, which are coming soon.  ;)

Right now though I'd say that most are just into finding out about all the new game mechanics and such...Once they become a little older things will return to normal. Its like when BD was created and the winch quest first came around....For a while people would stand in BD and spam all day till they got the quest. After things got harder and time passed everyone casually stopped caring.
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« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2008, 03:45:25 am »
Oh... this is the calm before the storm then.

How exciting!

"Cheapest ores minable from Mining level zero on, platinum which is paid that well shouldnt be to gather with levels.. say less than 50 or so. That way miners again would spread all over the current world."
I love that.  I'd say relate the levels to Metallurgy... maybe the metallurgist can handle ores that a miner 5 or 10 levels below can handle.
So... Level 5 metallurgist can handle iron and coal, which a level 0 miner can.
Level 10 Metallurgist can handle silver now, while the level 5 miner can now mine silver.
Level 20 Metallurgist can handle gold, level 15 miner can handle gold.
Etc.

*rushes back to refining, realizing he left steel in the oven*

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Re: Anybody there? Hmmm...
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2008, 04:23:03 am »
Ah, the new patches that kill roleplay... happens every time. Anyone else remember the time that the chat window was broek, so if you typed too much on one line it wouldn't scroll down? People would think the conversation was over, and leave just because the chatwindow was "stuck". Now that was roleplay killer  :sweatdrop:

Eventaully the invite system will be working better.. one way or another. And players will always congrigate where there's something to do that doesn't require other players all the time. It's nothing to be concerned with, people just need something to do, or they'll get bored and move to some place else. Hey, let's hang out at the temple where all the crystals spawn!
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« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2008, 05:46:16 am »
Although I agree that the quietness of RPers is not the fault of the devs, I have to agree with Noriin that it is suspiciously quiet almost everywhere RPwise. (Mind you that might just be the fact that we were discussing the subject a while back. :whistling:  ;D ) However, I personally would love to do more to contribute to the quiet but it's not so easy. I think the way the devs are going with the cooking is a big step in the right direction, talking over food is always fun. Even if a new craft doesn't come soon, new foods in game would be a big help. After all, one can only pretend and RP so much. After awhile, you can pretend and RP all of the stuff you don't have so much that you don't need the game anymore. Items usually produce curiosity and conversation in people, even if there isn't a model for it yet. I think more everyday items should be introduced in game to help things along, and if more food comes then Illysia will probably start cooking and having picnics again.  \\o//