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Izzabella

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Re: Attn: Elemental Light Guildhall raid confirmed [OOC]
« Reply #75 on: April 16, 2008, 12:57:48 am »
Thats why we posted here OOC'ly to let you know it was not a bug or an OOC attack.



what would you do in the RL if you came home and found your house cleaned out? ;)
It was pretty obvious you were robbed.

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Re: Attn: Elemental Light Guildhall raid confirmed [OOC]
« Reply #76 on: April 16, 2008, 12:59:27 am »
Quote from: Sov
1: Your guild still doesn't have anything pointing to us as a guild... that im aware of.. so no ic action should really be taken agaisnt us unless you have a firm IC reason for agression non-related to this event.
Not even now proving "size" to reach a hand by offering them a chance.. I have to admit that disappoints me a bit. If there is the slightest chance the door was unlocked not due to having forgotten to lock it, but by a bug, to agree on an ICish hint to be found within the house by the EL would be quite fair. Instead of being stubborn and saying "We are untouchable", you could come along with something like you can keep a part of it (Yes, I know you already sold it, but items arent unique).
No?

EDIT:
So, is it without any doubt that lock had to be unlocked since people forgot to lock it?

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Re: Attn: Elemental Light Guildhall raid confirmed [OOC]
« Reply #77 on: April 16, 2008, 01:03:40 am »
Even if somebody actually clicked on the button saying "Unlock", it could be considered a bug. Right now it's far too hard to see if a house is locked/unlocked and it's far too easily unlocked by accident. I would really like to have a big red message saying "You have unlocked your guild house!" pop up when you unlock it. The interface is far from finished and leaves way too much space for user mistakes.

The character should be the one to leave the guildhouse behind unlocked by accident, not the player.
« Last Edit: April 16, 2008, 01:05:40 am by ThomPhoenix »
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Re: Attn: Elemental Light Guildhall raid confirmed [OOC]
« Reply #78 on: April 16, 2008, 01:04:54 am »
Ok first of all sorry for my bad english.

I would like to point out a couple of things about this robbering to the EL guild house.

I do agree with the people is saying in real bad things hapen and you are robed and so, i think people is the same at any place they do evil and good stuff, they steal they kill.
So i really feel perfect about robberings and killing by evil chars, because that makes more interesting the game.

But the game has a big flaw that is always favoring the evil chars, and goes against the interest of real fun.

I do agree as i said in REAL you can being robbed without being told, but in REAL too if you want you can go against anyone you
find in the street and kill it because that one took your stuff.
So is unfair, the bad guys has advantage, the conditions of the game don't go in detriment of evil characters, is producing lack of heroes.

There was someone saying that each day the game becomes more barby's world like, because now things are guarded when you leave them on the floor, so noone can took them, i never had anything against someone can took something from the floor, what is unfair is that they do it for free, they have not punishment, soo we have this situation:

      -Evil people can RP evil actions and DO evil actions
      -And Good people all what can do is RP good actions, with not actual efect if the evil people doesn't agree to RP.

If i shouldn't need to ask for killing somone "can i kill you" and that someone should say "yes" (of course they will not)
No one ever would took sooo easily thigns from the floor of other people because they would have consequences.

Yes someone would say then the strong characters will steal everything of everyone and kill evryone, hello??
is not that REAL? if someone want to kill someone in REAL should ask to do it? what for are cops then?
IF somethign like that would hapen, i mean a Strong character harrasing weak ones, there we would need heroes,
other Strong Characters that will kill the Evil ones to safe the weaks, and guilds would have even more meaning for players
because that would be a brotherwhood against evil, or for evilness.

So is not fair that people is saying "this is what hapen in real" "you are robbed without being told", because noone can give a
"real" answer to such "real" like actions.

Now pointing to this like and IG actiong to roleplay, just admiting this is just RP, well is not bad RP just because all the things have been say.
This thiefs demostrated a real lack of logic or maybe a REAL big desire of anooy because they took EVERYTHING, not just Usefull things that they can sell, like a real thief would do, What the hell someone wants a book saying like "here is my stuff"?

So as a player that always helps others and is polite to the others as one of the messages of PS says, i reclaim a correction action from GMs, or allow us to kill everyone we want. Or this actions should be limited to just RP wich means not "real" stuff of game involved.
I think is the logic thing to do.

Someone else said that a RP like Kiaerulf pointed out would need insane amount of work, hem? i think RP means that you will work on it, is not for free, you are acting.
Its meant work.

Now i saw a gm or so said that not harrasment acts or such will tolerate in game, so the fair is that people should suffer bad things and then not do anything to correct them?
Or we are a complete barby's land like world, or we are completely REAL like, so we should be able to punish, or be regreat.

And all the fun that has been done in forums about this and about EL memembers, is not IG is OOC, so there is not RP.

We have suffered and evil action, we can not complain because there is people doing fun, we can not do a correction actoin because we will be punished, and even if we do this "correction" action will not be more than say "HEY You roobed me" and tht is all that is not compared to we have suffered.

Is about the money? or the stuff? no that has nto sense, is a game and is meant to be enjoyed this action is just unfair and just give pleasure to the thiefs that seems people really interested in meaningless things, because after all what is a tria? is somethign? worth to loose your good name for it? And people that enjoy comiting actions
that can not be punished.
Finaly this proposition of a Guild War in my opinion is not more than a distracting action, to say all was about an RP when was just a bad meant stealing.
Posts with images like "crime scene".

So just to end and repeat, i reclaim an answer a LOGIC answer from the team of PS.

Dzyann.-

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Re: Attn: Elemental Light Guildhall raid confirmed [OOC]
« Reply #79 on: April 16, 2008, 01:07:20 am »
My 2 cents,

ICly, even if NPCS or players saw us, they had no idea who we were or what we were doing with the "huge shelves" etc..  We could have been movers. I have been robbed in RL and our neighbours were told that they were "Aluminum collectors" They cleaned our house out.

Secondly, TECHNICALLY "IC" There is no log off button, so if your character is not visible *He just _isn't_ there* So sorry.
If anyone noticed Outlaws or ToY in that vicinity they should come forward, then you might have a reason IC to investigate.


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Re: Attn: Elemental Light Guildhall raid confirmed [OOC]
« Reply #80 on: April 16, 2008, 01:16:57 am »
Well, that may be, but I now wonder if that door was truely forgotten to be locked, or if the burglars access was possible due to a bug..
Given that doubt, and consdering the length of this thread: Why the heck cant you two parties come along and agree on a certain and defined evidence? Perhaps even agree on a fair process to decide at some point over the loot? In worst case.. whatever, roll a fricking dice!
But if things wheel on like this there wont be an agreement and both parties will stay upset.

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Re: Attn: Elemental Light Guildhall raid confirmed [OOC]
« Reply #81 on: April 16, 2008, 01:18:10 am »
We are talking out things in private.

Neko I request a lock to this thread please.

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Re: Attn: Elemental Light Guildhall raid confirmed [OOC]
« Reply #82 on: April 16, 2008, 01:24:03 am »
Meh, reading through the thread I have mixed feelings.

Then, the entire guildhouse was cleaned out. One could ask yourself how that's done since the house would unlikely be deserted (no players around is no excuse, since your character becomes invisible when logged out). Dumb NPCs is no excuse either. Also, thieves would steal valuable goods and I don't see thieves running off with tables, chairs, bookcases, potted plants and entire closets. Such a theft would surely not go unnoticed by either random folks, guards or merchants.

This situation is hard to fix, since the items are already gone. Because of some hostile feeling I'm sensing here I doubt a good follow-up roleplay will come from this too. I think both parties have learned, better leave it at that. The first guildhouse robbery was bound to happen, and it was bound to go wrong.

My thoughts on this whole situation exactly. Though I really can't get over the potted plants being stolen!
* zorbels falls over laughing "What kind of theif steals a plant?"
* zorbels looks at her strawberry plant, stops laughing and looks around suspiciously

Oh and heres a brain fart I had. Did anyone put thought into the possibility that the familiars can be trained to be gaurd pets? Perhaps one of them bite one of the thieves on the leg? This could be a clue for the EL guild? At any rate I am in agreement with people in the thread who are not bying the "no one saw us" answer. It is just impossible to not be seen at one point.
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Re: Attn: Elemental Light Guildhall raid confirmed [OOC]
« Reply #83 on: April 16, 2008, 01:26:52 am »
Why private? I think this is public as concern and the way PS is played and the way players relate.


Yes they stole the plants too, cleaver thiefs, hehe.

« Last Edit: April 16, 2008, 01:29:29 am by Dzyan »

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Re: Attn: Elemental Light Guildhall raid confirmed [OOC]
« Reply #84 on: April 16, 2008, 01:28:05 am »
My 2 cents,

ICly, even if NPCS or players saw us, they had no idea who we were or what we were doing with the "huge shelves" etc..  We could have been movers. I have been robbed in RL and our neighbours were told that they were "Aluminum collectors" They cleaned our house out.

Secondly, TECHNICALLY "IC" There is no log off button, so if your character is not visible *He just _isn't_ there* So sorry.
If anyone noticed Outlaws or ToY in that vicinity they should come forward, then you might have a reason IC to investigate.

Yea, like an NPC suddenly comes forward without any GM interaction? I am quiet sure Floren have noticed you he was there all the time (Im 99.9% certain of that). He would be able to describe you.

You are taking advantage of game mechanics like its not possible to see you carry an huge loset around, npcs can't say anything but what they are programmed to do and you ignore the fact that that at least 4 ppl were in the house sleeping in the beds you carried away without anyone waking up.

Had this been RL yea i would have been a sleep in house when Im no where else in the world. And since we are a guild of at least 100 ppl, there is a really good chance that at least someone were in there. Yea, and i don't always lock my door when Im at home sleeping.

I will still claim that our guildies doesn't unlock the door for the GH. Its not needed for entering and they are aware of that.

You just can't expect us to be online 24x7.

You keep saying this was a really awesome RP ... I dont' see any RP at all. You leave us no possibilities what so ever to participatesince you say yourself that you left no traces anywhere and nobody saw you. How can we react otherwise than being pissed? There is simply not such a thing as a perfect crime in RL.
To me this is has nothing to do with a RP.

Oh, and to those involved in this: Don't complain about random violence and back stabbing in Yliakum is OOC and no fun. An alt of mine have just found a new way of living. And when i have killed you, you better turn over all your money and your entire inventory or else you are OOC because you have just been robbed.

I would really like the GMs to state if this kind of RP is accepted... both the one just mentioned above and the GH theft.

- Kiaerulf
Ulber Tamer of Elemental Light

*edit*

Well, that may be, but I now wonder if that door was truely forgotten to be locked, or if the burglars access was possible due to a bug..
Given that doubt, and consdering the length of this thread: Why the heck cant you two parties come along and agree on a certain and defined evidence? Perhaps even agree on a fair process to decide at some point over the loot? In worst case.. whatever, roll a fricking dice!
But if things wheel on like this there wont be an agreement and both parties will stay upset.

As far as i am concerned a "continued RP" is not possible.

I can't think of any good way they can make it up for us except helping us at least getting some of it back and give us an apology for the way they played this.

- Kiaerulf

*edit*

We are talking out things in private.

Neko I request a lock to this thread please.

You are the one that took this public. We will end this in public. Or do you start to feel you were mistaken and runs out of arguments?

- Kiaerulf

[edit: sorry for the triple posts not the best debating technique i know.]
« Last Edit: April 16, 2008, 03:11:26 am by neko kyouran »

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Re: Attn: Elemental Light Guildhall raid confirmed [OOC]
« Reply #85 on: April 16, 2008, 01:36:36 am »
If you want to get technical I've heard of people having the clothes robbed off of their bodies while they were asleep. and secondly, everyone that was robbing the house was cloaked. We learned from our mistake with the Gug takeover, you guys learn from yours. lock your door.
No more responses. Izzy has told us to hand over loot to her.

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Re: Attn: Elemental Light Guildhall raid confirmed [OOC]
« Reply #86 on: April 16, 2008, 01:41:28 am »
We would like to find and OOC solution that will benefit both sides we are talking with moderator (someone not for either side) 

But you if want to continue the childish accusations of abusing bugs and flaming we can continue that here if you'd like.

We are tying to come up with a solution for both sides atm that we can do IC and still be okay with everything

/chill pill all!

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Re: Attn: Elemental Light Guildhall raid confirmed [OOC]
« Reply #87 on: April 16, 2008, 01:43:33 am »
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Re: Attn: Elemental Light Guildhall raid confirmed [OOC]
« Reply #88 on: April 16, 2008, 01:46:27 am »
Now if it was me, I would go around to NPCs who buy things and 'ask' them about who dumped a load of belongings on them not so long ago. Do this by going to the NPC, asking your questions, getting no answers, then sending your logs to the folks who were on the other side of the robbery to fill in the "I don't know what you are talking about." parts with what they would have realistically said. A good roleplayer will be glad to fill in this information, and perhaps give you a lead. If you can prove the items were yours (by telling the NPC what you had and sending the logs to the robbers to respond to), then the NPC can 'give your items back' by the robber OOC giving you the items instead of the NPCs.

But then, I am an uber roleplayer. ;)

Edit: In addition- very few NPCs will buy things from secretive cloaked figures, so that is not a valid answer. The cloaks would have had to come off.
« Last Edit: April 16, 2008, 01:50:26 am by Under the moon »

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Re: Attn: Elemental Light Guildhall raid confirmed [OOC]
« Reply #89 on: April 16, 2008, 01:53:23 am »
I am totaly with you Under the moon, that would be very enjoyable i think, that is why i am for both extremes real RP or be able to really punish. What hapen is in an ankward middle.