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Dajoji

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Re: Game Moderation Survey
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2008, 05:43:08 am »
Did you vote yet?

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Re: Game Moderation Survey
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2008, 06:52:41 am »
This one probably deserves a sticky.

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Re: Game Moderation Survey
« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2008, 05:33:54 am »
With technical stuff, say bug reports or getting stuck, I found GMs very helpful.

on the other hand....with enforcing rules about IC or OOC, I've found that there seems to be some bias. For some people, anything they name as IC will be considered IC, but with others, anything that they say is IC, and in my opinion, some of it is, is rejected based on general opinion of the person. I will not name any names tho.

For example, someone I know was called OoC because they spit on the ground in front of someone. someone else was reported for OoC for chasing someone after a guild betrayal. I find it kind of unfair that an IC betrayal, when the betrayed seeks vengeance, can hide behind a barrier that is OoC just because they dont feel like roleplaying being hunted. if you dont want to be hunted IC'ly, then dont do something that would lead to that IC wise...

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Re: Game Moderation Survey
« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2008, 06:12:03 am »
An action like "/me spits out" is nothing but IC.

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Re: Game Moderation Survey
« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2008, 07:34:53 am »
o sorry, it wasnt just spitting out. it was I believe insulting the other person too. but it was in character, as in not having Real world curse words and such.

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Re: Game Moderation Survey
« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2008, 08:32:14 am »
I understood you well... And roleplaying is not like "playing sunny weather all day". "Evil characters" have to act credible too. They have the freedom to do so. As long as they ensure that their actions are recognisable as IC.

And Game Masters should be able to recognise the nature of a conversation correctly. Like referees in a match decide about an "offside" or "foul" situation.

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Re: Game Moderation Survey
« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2008, 08:49:11 am »
agreed. the problem is...VVV

Actions that may Constitute Harassment:

When Intention to Cause Grief has been proven, the following are considered actions of harassment:

Shouting IC/OOC insults or comments that are offensive or defamatory.
Following a player around, walking through them or standing or sitting close to them.
Flooding a player with trade or duel requests.
Competing with a player for a mob with the intention of causing grief.
Interrupting a specific player or group of player’s RP with IC or OOC comments.
Demanding that a player accept a challenge to PvP.
Posting or communicating personal information of any player and/or doing anything that may hurt privacy of other players in the game or the website of Planeshift.
Impersonating another player or any member of the development team, GM or game representative.

sorry if I seem kinda random, or out of it...I need sleep. but I have to study. which means I really shouldnt be on here....but I cant concentrate. because I'm sleepy.....I'll shut up now.

« Last Edit: June 10, 2008, 08:51:01 am by theirah »

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Re: Game Moderation Survey
« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2008, 09:32:51 am »
Well, of course there is half of the sentence missing: "... if the other character feels harrassed by such actions".

If both characters agree to such a behaviour, no GM should intrude.

If the threatened player states OOC that he doesn't enjoy such actions, the threatening player should stop them, or expect a punishment by a GM in case he insists in "causing grief".

Good players playing evil characters will know their limits. And they will know ways to create a consent with the opposite players before starting such actions.

Like in a good economy relation, there should be a first and second reminder before crying for lawyers. At least that was usual before dissuasions got abused as cheap source of income...

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theirah

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Re: Game Moderation Survey
« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2008, 10:03:02 am »
yes, thats true. the problem is, I believe that this policy is used way too much, and prevents ingame consequences for those who betray, or kill, or so on ingame. if they dont want to be harassed for a while...go play another character. Besides...what makes a 1 time betrayal that could be a bigger event *better* than small annoyances over a longer period of time? if you get too annoyed...just hunt them back.

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Re: Game Moderation Survey
« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2008, 11:52:34 am »
agreed. the problem is...VVV

Actions that may Constitute Harassment:

When Intention to Cause Grief has been proven, the following are considered actions of harassment:

Shouting IC/OOC insults or comments that are offensive or defamatory.
Following a player around, walking through them or standing or sitting close to them.
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So Izzabella and the outlaws can simply take any place they want. They simply stay on the required spots for example in platinum mine and no one can go close the mine because it is harassment :0
Smart plan :)

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« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2008, 12:27:27 pm »
Additionally to the questionable name-calling (forum rules...) in this case I fail to see the connection between quote and comment.

If _whoever_ roleplays to take the platinum mine and has success and someone else starts to walk through them only to cause grief it is indeed harassment. Just as walking through others with the intention to cause grief is harassment in any other situation...

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Re: Game Moderation Survey
« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2008, 12:55:49 pm »
@ Sen:

I see the paradox situation:

- A group decides to make a roleplay to "take over a mine" by standing there.
- Miners decide not to take part in this roleplay, just because they are not interested, and keep on mining, even "through" the occupant characters
- The occupants call for GMs because they feel harrassed by the rock picks

Who is to scold now?

The occupants because they harrass the miners with their "enforced" roleplay?

The miners because they harrass the occupants by ignoring the play and not taking part?

Somehow I believe that we are getting far away from the kernel of this thread.

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Re: Game Moderation Survey
« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2008, 02:04:56 pm »
Sorry for  :offtopic: - this will be my last one (I hope  ;))

I agree to you LigH, I just have a few clarifications

First, the taking the mine is the difficult part and I don't know how to do that rp-wise and also from the point you mentioned; that several will just ignore all rp there. The same time I don't really believe anyone who roleplays would act like you described, regardless of the fact you are right with your point.

Lets assume just this happens - no side has reason to call gms or something like that. But if some miners don't only ignore the rp - what is their right - but start to annoy the rpers (those currently involved in that roleplay) just with the intention to annoy them this is harassment. What happened often enough to me are people who stop all own actions just to constantly stepping 'inside' my char and smilar things; maybe we take this example. And the originally quoted post said that it is harassment when the intention is to cause grief.
There I see the difference between our two ways we see the situation, the intention of causing grief. Therefore this rule can't apply to 'normal' taking over the mine from my point of view.

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Re: Game Moderation Survey
« Reply #28 on: June 10, 2008, 05:25:51 pm »
the problem is...how the heck do improve intent? Even Lawyers have trouble proving that in court.

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Re: Game Moderation Survey
« Reply #29 on: June 10, 2008, 06:23:16 pm »
Whenever there's IC mixed up with OOC it's always a mess. All GMs can do is damage control so we ask that the players/guilds involved stop all interaction, like with a two-way restriction order. If they break it, they get punished. Listening to both parts' explanations is only part of the process. It's easy to hide one's actions as IC but that doesn't mean there is no intention to harass. That is why you should never let these situations escalate. Most harassment cases we've seen are pure immaturity at play. Someone trying to get back at someone else because they left their guild or stole their mob. It's childish and a waste of everyone's time and energy. However, we are not about to be less strict in dealing with them because they ruin the gaming experience of the community and because every now and then more serious harassment issues may arise.

In order to determine intent, we can see if a player ignores another one's request to stop following them around, walking through them, competing for mobs, etc. We can see report logs and observe the situation. We talk to the players involved and review their history (previous issues with other players, etc.). Harassment is not dealt with lightly.

I cannot comment on the examples given by theirah in a previous post because they are out of context but I am sure there is much more to them than just the facts stated. However, if a player is not enjoying someone else's RP or is even feeling offended by it, they have the right to move on to something else. Does this mean they can /report immediately? No. You can report someone's RP when they break the Language and Content policy: no profanity, no explicit sexual content, no RL drug use. However, spitting and uttering IC insults do not automatically fall into that category. What the player should do is state their reluctance to participate and only if this wish is not respected should they report and file a petition. This has nothing to do with the plot but with not respecting another player's rights.

In the scenario posted by Ligh: if you wish to RP that you take over a mine, don't be surprised if people don't join your RP. You cannot force it on them. They are free to ignore you or declare that IC they are not really there. However if they interrupt your RP and start interfering with your IC actions, you can and should report them. One thing is to ignore another player, another is to disrupt their RP.

Now, back on topic: Have you filled out the survey yet?