Bored

[Mathy Stockington]

This was not pointed at the developers, instead it is a chance for players to speak out and say what they think and feel. By no means is this thread against what you do for us Xillix. Instead it is something we can read and learn from if enough people voice their opinions.

Yes it is true that we make this experience what we want it to be. Maybe it is just the way of things, people get bored and move on. I was just hoping to hear why people do and see if there is a way to keep our family together.

Let us hear from more of you to better understand: Why are you bored with PS?

[Waoknie]

What were people permitted to do to each other before that they are not allowed to do now?

-Guarded items.. back then, what you drop was exposed to thievery. Now it's used to 'enhance' carrying capability.. Players get inventory full but still manage to overload temporarily by 'putting things aside' while they dig for example. Some use it to place a Point Of Sale stand in public (very useful) but I dunno if this was part of the intention. I understand that there were many issues with the furnaces/crashes.. chars lost many items when that happened.
-Death rule/challenge/suicide.. People were abusing death realm for it's ability to respawn w/no penalty and therefore move faster between maps. Now no one wants to die to avoid penalty. I believe once a challenge is accepted, death must be considered as is. Once players were given a second chance, challenge became a game within the game.

Maybe these are just a couple examples.. more things used to happen but those were bug issues (which in no way mean less fun). Still, the effect of those bugs could be considered as 'actions', like the inventory auto-drop when full.. I know it must have been a nightmare for Devs and GM's but sure the effect was pure fun.

I don't mean these issues should return to their prior status. Maybe some other things when implemented may replace those actions (pickpocket/lockpicking)..

On another side, I've seen sporadic attacks on mining areas performed by GM's.. Everyone enjoys those, even if they die.. but these actions are limited to the GM's. Players can't do that.. People take things according to their source.. if it was a GM, cool, fun, yeah, hooray.. I can't imagine the negative comments if a player's character ever attempts something like that. Still, I believe there should be some actions doable w/o agreement, comment, blah..blah.. Every single time such things happened, the following was pure RP joy!

Now, you may say I enjoyed those for I could have been mostly a perpetrator.. well, no!.. those rules applied for us all.

[Xillix Queen of Fools]

another "can't win" for the devs waoknie, players requested the ability to host weddings and not have their crap stolen by wandering noobs .

I am bored with this boring discussion of boredom.

[Prolix]

I think the real question is: How many bored borers can a bored borer bore if a bored borer can bore bores? 
The answer is of course: A bored borer can bore four borers if a bored borer can bore bores, more bored borers than four bored borers are too boring for a bored borer to bore!

Now aren't you glad you asked?

Of course, I usually ignore things that bore me too much, sometimes more successfully than others. Unfortunately some things I ignored fairly successfully, I would have benefited from not ignoring. I have been quite successful at ignoring reality. Perhaps some of you have noticed.

I'm kinda bored now because I just visited the DR four times in the last hour and a half. I should not have tried the gnarly looking gladiators in the arena or the rogues below the bandit brigand. There are far too many things that can kill me now. I guess it is the price of progress. Keep up or give up, I always say and I got left back about a year ago. I should have known better about those gladiators, they look a lot meaner than they used to and they definitely were. Can't say I had no warning. I knew about those rogues before too but they vary from time to time and I used to get one kill in.

[Abyssion]

If a game becomes boring, people become bored and leave. Simple as that.

[eldoth_terevan]

In each case when things are brought up, the immediate and sometimes caustic response is that it is the players problem. For being a powerleveler, for not speaking correctly, for not RP'ing, for not RP'ing in the settings, for attempting to push the limits set by game mechanics ... and now for not having an imagination, i.e., not being smart enough. After a couple of years of listening to these arguments ad nauseam, they are all sounding incredibly desperate to me. Its always someone else's problem, isn't it?

[Xillix Queen of Fools]

"The only horrible thing in the world is ennui, Dorian. That is the one sin for which there is no forgiveness." <--- Oscar Wilde from Portait of Dorian Grey.

"Boredom: the desire for desires." <--- Leo Tolstoy from Anna Karenina.

"To escape boredom, man works either beyond what his usual needs require, or else he invents play, that is, work that is designed to quiet no need other than that for working in general." <--- Friedrich Nietzsche from Human, All Too Human.

"Boredom is not an end-product, is comparatively rather an early stage in life and art. You’ve got to go by or past or through boredom, as through a filter, before the clear product emerges." F. Scott Fitzgerald from The Crack-Up.

"Against boredom even the gods struggle in vain." <--- Friedrich Nietzsche from Antichrist.

And here, to show there is nothing too haughty in what I have suggested:

"Boredom comes from a boring mind." <-- Metalica

Whose fault IS it Eldoth?

[Prolix]

I blame the Illuminati, but then I lack imagination.
Maybe this explains everything: The Enemy!

[eldoth_terevan]

Oh, I am impressed with the literary references. Not. Quotes pulled out of context from various sources are not a significant response to that particular rhetorical question. It is better a question that one asks of themselves. But if the answer is not honest, then nothing is learned.

[LigH]

I play now at least 4 chars in parallel (and find enough different plots to take part in), and also help a little as prospect. I can't be bored...

What do you expect from the game, and what do you expect from yourself?

Es ist nicht deine Schuld, dass die Welt ist, wie sie ist
es wär nur deine Schuld, wenn sie so bleibt

(It is not your fault how the world is now, only if it stays so.)

[Xillix Queen of Fools]

People answer rhetorical questions all the time and this rhetorical question called for an answer.

Blame was shifted off the bored individuals, so where does that posit the blame?

This developer does not accept blame for people leaving when they get bored. I stand by the statement that boredom starts and ends inside an individual.

I have no interest in impressing anyone; I merely wanted to illustrate that my thoughts on the nature and source of boredom itself are not unheard of.

I intended to show that my demeanor and the demeanor of others positing the players as responsible for their own boredom is not particularly "caustic."

Those quotes also share one common feature: Their context is discussions of boredom.

No dishonesty is present as I am clearly expressing opinion.

Btw it is not my problem, I'm not bored .

[Prolix]

The quotes have one other thing in common, their authors were all boring themselves. 

Why does there always have to be blame? Blame is not productive. It does not have to be a fault if something goes wrong. If it rains on your parade is it the drum majors fault? Some things just are. You should not see this thread as one seeking to lay blame.

[Waoknie]

another "can't win" for the devs waoknie, players requested the ability to host weddings and not have their crap stolen by wandering noobs .

I am bored with this boring discussion of boredom.

I agree 100%.. that's why I said things should not be undone or go back to those previous settings.
I thought that by naming a few samples could help.. I just pointed that there should be things happening to/by players. Just an idea that could contribute to improve the RPing by allowing actions to seed it.
I'm not bored of PS.. I understand that it is difficult to make things happen. I appreciate the effort the team puts into it and I have no big knowledge about coding, content creation, etc.. I've tried and found it's not for everyone 
Nobody likes bad things to happen to our chars.. still, they do and I believe the result is positive. Our chars have weaponry, armors, magic among other things.. I just believe they should come handy as a result from actions.

[Xillix Queen of Fools]

The underlying premise you are arguing here is for pvp of various kinds.

Seek out threads on this topic and see how they have played out.

For what it is worth, I do think there should be some features for thieves and areas for alternative play styles, but all this takes time.

[Ichaas]

Hehe, just to clarify, I never left PS, I still come on from time to time, and it's cool, I find the odd entertaining thing.

My previous posts were suggestions and reasons as to why other people have left.
Boaal is still around, has not left and will probably continue to come and go at will. But I also think that aside from an imagination, you have to have something more to interact with in a game.
Put bluntly - imagination is good but if you are hoing to try and imagine everything, as an excuse for the shortcomming of a game, then you should probably play a MUD which honestly allow alot more freedom for the imagination.