NPC X is a cheapskate.

[Prolix]

I understand that some quests fail and the rewards are not very good for the attempt, but to have the costs for doing the errands not covered by the NPC to whom the service is provided is to discourage any further questing on the part of the player. So I spent about four hours gathering various substances for X and gave him a sum of tria to boot he sends me off to get NPC Y to agree to do something for him even though they were not the type to deserve such an honor (apparently he is not a good judge of character) and then he sent me to NPC Z for one more thing. These last two steps took about another hour of running around. Then when it came time to reward me he didn't even give me the value of the materials I provided him -- less even than the sum of tria I gave him just because Y rightly enough (apparently they have some shame) did not agree.

Now it may be that I was doomed to fail this errand due to a previous interaction (or two) with Y or that there was some extraordinary way to save it that was not offered and I would have had to figure out on my own; I just know I will never do another errand for X and be extremely leery of Y, Z, or any other NPC. I do not like getting ripped off and I would have demanded the materials back that I had provided X but there is no mechanism for that and I had to just swallow the insult.

I hope this is not too revealing but I am afraid it may be despite my best efforts. The point I am making is that poor returns for lengthy efforts do not encourage people to engage with the settings. I would have been less offended to come out with fewer XPs and no monetary loss, although, any quest that appears to be a waste of time or worse does not seem viable in the long run and only encourages spoiler production.

[Socius Rockus]

(Perhaps) You've gained more then only 'stuff' from the quest. Factions?
Don't be such a Kapi Good work earns more then money 

[One and only tanner]

i did a quest and ended up 20,000 Tria down, with a reward for a few Hexa a bit of xp and faction 

but it happens you can't expect a shiny new glyph or a ton of Tria every time

[Zan]

I think you'll see that questing will become more and more risky.

In the past there was no thrill (except that of discovery) to be found in a quest at all. The worst you could experience was a sentence that made no sense and sends you off into frustration. There was no way to fail quests or be ripped off. Recently that is changing. Quests can fail now. They can yield different rewards based on your choices or they can even affect the future of your experience with NPCs. All intentional.

If anything, this should make you think like your character more and the time of mindless questing to find all new rewards is over.

If your character is dumb enough to mindlessly serve every NPC on their whims .. its practically wearing a big sign saying "Take advantage of me, please!" in my eyes.

[One and only tanner]

this doesn't bode well for me as a  glyph addict 

[Prolix]

i did a quest and ended up 20,000 Tria down, with a reward for a few Hexa a bit of xp and faction 

but it happens you can't expect a shiny new glyph or a ton of Tria every time

Sounds like one I did, only I did not get the money up front so I did not spend it. Next time I'll ask for the money first and if the npc is too stupid to understand my request he is too stupid to do a favor for no matter how exalted his position.

[Xillix Queen of Fools]

Spoiler production requires no encouragement.

[Socius Rockus]

Prolix, from what i understand you are complaining about this 'cheapskate' basically because you character can't judge the value of XP and Factions.
(that is, if it's truely the same 'quest' you and Tanner talk about)
Now it may be me, but I don't see the problem there, if you play your character and do quest your character takes interest in, then it's only natural that if you don'like one outcome of a quest you don't do another errand for the same NPC. That's probably why certain people don't do certain quest *wink wink*
That is, if you're not interested in the other benefits of the quest 
Or your character has been tricked by a trias scam 
Give me 20.000 trias, and I'll return you double! if you at least make 5 other people sign up to this ehm... opportunity.

[Prolix]

You know I probably did complain about that other quest at one time but the original quest I made this thread was a different one. I commiserated with tanner because his quest sounded familiar. Apparently he is not an art lover whereas I want to eat babies  

[Socius Rockus]

Then are you 100% sure you didn't gain anything 'esle' from the quest? Because I experience that quests either give you extra trias/stuff or factions and/or XP, or privileges.
>.> Though I won't be too surprised if 'some' 'certain' NPCs were to scam people for a living

[Prolix]

Oh I gained some xps too but that is about it, I think. It seems to me I failed another of his quests before it had hardly begun, one guess for a riddle, get serious. At least give me three if you want the job done. Not that there is anything wrong with that from a development standpoint, the npc is just a jerk. Guess I should have joined a guild to access their cheat sheets. Sure it is the wrong reason to join a guild for a character but it is nothing if it isn't pragmatic from a player perspective.

[Socius Rockus]

That's life
Many quiz shows give you one try for a question too

[Prolix]

I am pleasant sounding and sweet, I grant relief to the distressed.
I fill the empty spaces and empty the full.
What am I?

[Rizin]

Prolix - I believe you approached me directly about two quests and their rewards. One I pointed out a flaw in your complaint and you took that one off the list, and on the second I told you why. I'm sorry that you disagree with it, not much I can do about that.

If this thread was started based on the second quest we discussed, I am truly disappointed. You got an answer you didn't like so you decide to throw it out to the forums to try and cause a stir.

If this thread is based on another quest we have yet to discuss, approach me, and we can talk about it.

I've never turned down a discussion which can result in my agreement and changes to something that that I agree needs fixing. Quests are growing more powerful. It's not just about the tria or the physical reward anymore. You get other rewards as well as things you don't see that help foster a relationship with NPC's. Keep an open mind and realize that NPC's are like people too, just don't expect them to give you grand physical rewards. Some do always, some do when you do the right things - some times the right things aren't obvious unless you truly are paying attention.

[Socius Rockus]

I am pleasant sounding and sweet, I grant relief to the distressed.
I fill the empty spaces and empty the full.
What am I?

"White lie" me thinks... am I still in the race for the refrigerator?