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Where are all the Roleplayers?
« on: June 26, 2008, 02:30:40 am »
I'm walking around in Hydlaa, and I see very little, if any, roleplayers. I stand in front of Harnquist's shop, and there's no one but people running around with swords drawn. I walk in the tavern, it's full of godmodders, fenkis with plate armor and swords drawn, and people pretending to roleplay thinking that anything said with /me counts for roleplay (example: /me thinks xx is a noob).

Just yesterday, me and a few friends were in Gugrontid hosting an event dealing with lowering platinum prices. We found that all of the miners were OOC after trying to communicate with them, and they refused to buy the platinum in Main chat, always bringing it to OOC /tells and simply refusing to roleplay. Also, a few people decided it would be funny to lure 4-5 ulbernauts to a stall we'd set up to sell food and drinks to the hard-working miners, and nearly got us killed. Then we were told by a GM to treat that as an IC event, even though the people who did it were OOC, and we were right next to the main part of Gugrontid where guards should have (if the mechanics worked) protected us.

I ask, where are all the roleplayers? So far I'm beginning to see that the majority of the community is immature, against roleplaying, or godmod with no regard for settings or limitations on their character. What happened to the unique attribute of this game where it encourages roleplay? That's the entire reason I started playing, but now it seems like it's about to become like the general MMO - a grindfest. I notice that there are about 8 people logged onto the forums, compared to 86 guests. These names I see logged in, are generally the people I see that roleplay, while these 86 guests, the majority, I assume are grinders that don't interact with the community at all. Then there are people who don't even know about the forums, so probably also don't know that this is a roleplaying game, and the only reason they may have possibly come to the forums is to figure out how to get out of the tutorial so they can start grinding.

Now I'm not saying I have a problem with grinding, as there are many exceptions where there are amazing roleplayers with equally amazing stats/skills, but just look around ingame. In the tavern just earlier today, there were random people with grinded out stats/skills, weapons drawn, and plate armor, acting very immaturely like they came straight from Runescape. If this is what the game's being reduced to, there isn't any point in having settings. As long as the game mechanics are all finished, that's all they care about, and that's all they'll play for. It'll be a waste of time if the community's roleplayers don't nearly equal the number of the community's non-roleplayers, since they'll rarely, if ever, use what's written in settings.

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Re: Where are all the Roleplayers?
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2008, 03:01:54 am »
I don't mean to sound uncaring, but do we really need yet ANOTHER thread about how RP is dead... death to those who don't RP... where did our RP utopia go... PS is turning into WoW... ???

I interact with people in character, I also work on my characters stats. I have helped several newer players out of DR and assisted them in learning more about the game. I, outside of mentioning specific commands they need to use, do this as IC as possible. I have not come across anyone that says noob or l33t... although I must say that I do not frequent the holy shrine of RP that is the tavern if I can help it.

I will say that I do not see a whole lot of people around most of the time. Of those I see in easy to find places, most don't give me the time of day. However, I have met many people mining, or while in out of the way places that were very friendly and IC.

BTW... the Ulbers at the Plat mine... that seems to be becoming a regular occurance. RPers getting back at the PLers that do nothing but mine their little hearts out.

I can understand your frustration, but you sound like Chicken Little...

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Re: Where are all the Roleplayers?
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2008, 03:12:55 am »
Well that's good you interact with people, that's what I believe the game to be all about. Sure there are more types of these threads, but if the initial problem isn't solved, I think we need as many as we can get. The main people who use these forums are the roleplayers, so as the roleplayers, can't we band together and try to setup a way where everyone can interact and have fun roleplaying as opposed to trying to dig a roleplayer out of a crowd of miners to interact with?

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Re: Where are all the Roleplayers?
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2008, 03:18:31 am »
Personally I always though that dragging monsters around the map was an abuse of the game limitations. If I were a game master and I saw someone doing that I would give them a quick trip to the death realm. It is good that you do not mention names here but if you think this is an issue with a particular gm you should report it to the head gm. You cannot force people to join your role play but the gm seemed to be saying you have to accept theirs despite the fact that it was an out of context abuse.

To my mind most of the real role players are people you never notice, they go about their business and try to speak in character when they need to interact with others. The ones that need to be acknowledged are suspect in my eyes.

Trying to role play with miners is kind of tough because they only care about money. Mining is so boring and platinum is so hard to mine that I can come to no other conclusion. Trying to get miners to take less was unlikely to ever succeed.

Then again I really have to wonder what part of the ecosystem ulbernauts play that has prevented their extermination. Perhaps they are protected from that by the tree god whatever her name is.

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Re: Where are all the Roleplayers?
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2008, 03:26:52 am »
Here's for the naysayers who think the community is just fine as it is. This obviously isn't the entire roleplay, but I logged out for a bit and came back to see this still going on, there was plenty before it, and this was easiest to dig out of my logs since it was separated by time of logging in.

(21:14:54) E punch I
(21:15:05) A spits In I's face
(21:15:26) E says: don't you dare vomit on my or A AGAIN
(21:15:38) E says: me*
(21:16:00) I vomits all over the floor
(21:16:10) A says: Yeah!
(21:16:11) E says: EWWWWWWWW
(21:16:16) A says: o.o
(21:16:20) A backs away
(21:16:38) I projectile vomits onto B
(21:17:07) E says: LOl
(21:17:51) A says: LOL
(21:17:57) E use a spell to clean A and B and her up as will the room
(21:18:26) I is about to threaten B as he did with the last kid that messed with him...
(21:18:49) E slaps I
(21:19:02) I says: ouch
(21:19:20) I lays down and falls back asleep

Just from the time I got this out of my chat logs and now, they posted even weirder crap in main chat. This is their idea of roleplay, and it isn't uncommon. Names obviously aren't going to be mentioned.

Oh wow, I have to post another piece of this roleplay. I can't resist...the other one was short anyway.

(21:20:38) I sleep vomits all over B
(21:20:48) I says: [thanks for reminding me]
(21:21:54) I wakes up and rubs his jaw "what the hell..."
(21:22:03) E use a spell to clean up B
(21:22:47) E use a spell to put i back to sleep
(21:23:48) I wakes up again and stands up and tries opening the door.
(21:24:17) I says: whats going on?
(21:24:19) E looks at I "the door in lock"
(21:24:31) I jerks the handle but fails at opening it
(21:24:40) I says: why is it locked?
(21:25:04) E says: are you going to get more drinks?
(21:26:02) I says: no...
(21:26:13) I says: I already got plenty of drinks thanks to you
(21:26:30) E says: i want you to get passed out
(21:26:40) I says: O.O
(21:26:41) A jabs I with her sword
(21:26:51) I says: [you dont know how awkward that sounded E]
(21:27:07) I grabs A's sword and shoves her back
(21:27:11) I says: dont do that
(21:27:13) E says: [left get out out]
(21:27:48) A shoots I "Don't touch my sword, *****!" (this part of the log edited for language)
(21:27:54) A says: *stab
(21:27:56) I says: ...
(21:27:58) A says: [I don't have a gun lol]
(21:28:15) I dodges the stab and shoves A back "dont do that!"
(21:28:20) E give A her gun
(21:28:32) A shoots I "I warned you"
« Last Edit: June 26, 2008, 03:32:54 am by Shaman »

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Re: Where are all the Roleplayers?
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2008, 03:32:13 am »
Then again I really have to wonder what part of the ecosystem ulbernauts play that has prevented their extermination. Perhaps they are protected from that by the tree god whatever her name is.

Maybe they're a convenient way for the government to gruesomely dispatch troublemakers  :D  

To get back to the original question: honestly, I haven't had that much trouble finding roleplay.   There have been days where drought conditions persisted despite my attempts to stir things up, but for the most part I've gotten a lot of RP, and sometimes at unexpected times and places.  I personally have some plans afoot to try to stir up some more RP in a non-tavern location - one of my characters is a trainee priestess of Xiosia (the hippie tree god, Prolix  :P) and I've been contemplating advertising to get religious ceremonies going, amongst other things - but on the whole I guess I haven't had too much trouble getting people to talk to me.   It's not always scintillating, but it's still rp.

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Re: Where are all the Roleplayers?
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2008, 03:41:19 am »
Consider yourself lucky. I find myself having to roleplay in a certain clique in order to actually roleplay, because if I try to roleplay with random people in town or in the tavern, or in the wilderness in some cases, it makes me want to punch kittens.

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Re: Where are all the Roleplayers?
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2008, 03:41:41 am »
I have to agree with peanuts, I haven't had to search too far to find some roleplay. I would also agree with Prolix, roleplay should be everything you do, not just your conversations.

And as far as your example goes shaman, well the are always going to be some idiots about  :-\

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Re: Where are all the Roleplayers?
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2008, 03:47:52 am »
Experiences can differ, but what I experienced is that the first week of playing, I met a lot of fun new people to roleplay with and thought it was going to be a blast. I still roleplay with them, but now they're pretty much the only people I can roleplay with. The rest, such as the tens of twenties of people at Gugrontid, were impossible to RP with, and were completely OOC. If roleplay is encouraged but not enforced, I hate to say it, but it IS just like WoW, except not as developed and with less people. I'm not saying I'm going to prefer WoW over PS, but I'd like PS to somehow be saved from becoming like that. Roleplay needs to be enforced, or else this will end up turning into every other "MMORPG".

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Re: Where are all the Roleplayers?
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2008, 03:54:54 am »
Note that the players luring the ulbers were asked not to disturb your RP and stop luring the mobs over where you were. You were asked to take the first encounters as IC because your first assumption should be that everything is IC until proven OOC beyond reasonable doubt (i.e. officially stated), which is arguable in this case. That is because the ideal for PS is that everyone gets to RP naturally, from the moment they log on till they log off. So try not to let what others do disrupt your RP and see past the annoyances. Obviously, this can't always be and that is why both parties were told to let go and move on before the issue escalated. Arguing that guards would have come over is pointless. The game is not there yet and lack of mechs can't stop you from trying.

In the meantime, keep in mind that your standard of RP is not the rule and you need to be flexible.


Addendum: Reporting disruptive behavior should always be your course of action. Once a GM is involved, you should turn your attention back to enjoying the game and past the incident.
« Last Edit: June 26, 2008, 03:58:34 am by Dajoji »


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Re: Where are all the Roleplayers?
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2008, 04:05:40 am »
I was with Shaman that day ... after one trade of ores I was told oocly in main by Akeera "[Our chars never traded icly]" - very much disencouraging"

I for sure will think twice before trying to set up something by far meant to be IC or RP at the Gugrontid..
I dont have problems with it, as long as I wouldnt expect this game to be somewhat roleplaying orientated at this stage. I more wonder how much is Planeshift  a -"Do what you want"-game -  please specify Planeshifts' description: Is Planeshift a unique Roleplaying game, or is it something casual...a wannabe World of Worldracft clone?"
I am disappointed, its players are lovely and mostly not stupid, but....................

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Re: Where are all the Roleplayers?
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2008, 05:18:08 am »
I was there after shaman and trust me that kinda stuff was so bad I couldn't rp very well because of one line lols bumping stuff before I could read it. I had to resort to putting 4 on my ignore list. I normally as a rule just overlook less than ideal RP but this was getting out of hand. Not mention that constant ooc is against game rules. That was the bulk of what was going on in the tavern. Mind you some of those involve have a habit of doing this. This is not just us being sensitive. I would have reported but there were no gms on at the time.

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« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2008, 06:55:52 am »
Consider yourself lucky. I find myself having to roleplay in a certain clique in order to actually roleplay, because if I try to roleplay with random people in town or in the tavern, or in the wilderness in some cases, it makes me want to punch kittens.

While I see where you're coming from, I find that cliques are sort of the problem. I mean, yes, I do really love playing with certain characters, even if I IC'ly don't get along well with them (some of the IC awkward moments I've had lately have been hilarious to me irl, though I didn't say it in the game save for /guild or /tells). However, I'm still open to playing with anyone I see being IC and spelling decently (I do keep in mind that not all players are native English speakers, though). The roleplayers are there if you look for them, or try to spark the RP (keep in mind there are a plethora of excuses you can use to get out if you don't like the roleplay you're in, though honesty is usually the best policy).

Admittedly, I hang around the tavern a lot, usually when I've either agreed to meet up with someone from the ole' BL or am looking for a new plotline to get entangled in (or if my character's just bored and wants an ale, but it's one of the first two more often than not). I also have no problem being IC at the mines, but one often gets rude and disrespectful comments like "lol roleplayers are freaks" and "[You're godmodding (by saying you got the impression that Player X intends to do Action Y) , idiot]" (when it isn't godmodding at all). It seems to me that the more crowded an area is the more likely people are going to start bickering OOC'ly, and the more incentive to PL there is in said area, the colder some people's reaction to roleplay is going to be.
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Re: Where are all the Roleplayers?
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2008, 07:26:48 am »
Can I call it or what? RP is dead... PS is turning into WoW... to hell with anyone who won't RP (to my standards)... the sky is falling.

Can you be more sensationalist? There are plenty of RP opportunities. Every time you come across a unfamiliar character is a new opportunity. If you have a bad experience at Kada El's, try somewhere else. If you know that the Plat mine has a reputation for being a non-RP area... why waste your time there?

I can't help but think that either you are too sensitive, looking for reasons to be upset, or expecting this wonderful RP utopia that just simply doesn't exist. PS is a hybrid. There are players here that range from so-called PLers all the way to people (apparently like you) that are so-called strict RPers. Most of us fall somewhere in the middle and are happy, for the most part, with the way the game is running. If all you want to do is sit around and chat with people, you might be better served by a MUD or IRC.

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Re: Where are all the Roleplayers?
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2008, 08:05:18 am »
Can I call it or what? RP is dead... PS is turning into WoW... to hell with anyone who won't RP (to my standards)... the sky is falling.

Can you be more sensationalist? There are plenty of RP opportunities. Every time you come across a unfamiliar character is a new opportunity. If you have a bad experience at Kada El's, try somewhere else. If you know that the Plat mine has a reputation for being a non-RP area... why waste your time there?

I can't help but think that either you are too sensitive, looking for reasons to be upset, or expecting this wonderful RP utopia that just simply doesn't exist. PS is a hybrid. There are players here that range from so-called PLers all the way to people (apparently like you) that are so-called strict RPers. Most of us fall somewhere in the middle and are happy, for the most part, with the way the game is running. If all you want to do is sit around and chat with people, you might be better served by a MUD or IRC.

I assure you if PS had as many strict RPers as you think people who think otherwise would have the chance to voice there opinion. And I believe that if Talad envisioned the game to be RP centric people should respect that.

I started the game not wanting to RP all but I wasn't disruptive to RP and I eventually learned how. Keep in mind that players are testing the game not calling the shots. If you want a game where you have more input in the environment each find another or make one like Talad did. I applaud PS for not being like the others what's the point if it is just a clone of WOW. Just spend the money and get the real thing.

Besides, there is a fine line between strict RPer and not wanting to be inundated with stupidity. Sometimes it is in fact clear cut stupidity.